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RUSH: We welcome back to the program Dinesh D’Souza, movie producer and director extraordinaire.  Hillary’s America.  You just won, not an award, but you just achieved the highest grossing — what’s the category that you just —

D’SOUZA:  Rush, it’s absolutely fantastic.  We became, in just five days, we became the most successful political documentary of this year, 2016, and we’ve also become, we’ve entered the top 10 documentaries of all time in just five days.

RUSH:  Right.  But this movie, it’s a documentary, but it’s entertaining as it can be.  It’s not stiff by any means.  If there’s one thing that — if you’re talking to people that haven’t seen the movie, and there’s one thing in this movie or one area that you really want people to take away from it, what is it?  What would it be?

D’SOUZA:  Well, Rush, as you know, four years ago I made the movie about Obama and my point about Obama was that he’s an ideologue. He’s an anti-colonial ideologue who wants to diminish the wealth and power of America.  I think with the Clintons we’re dealing with something different.  We’re dealing with Bonnie and Clyde, a kind of criminal racket that these two people run, and they’ve been on the make since the Arkansas days, continuing through the White House, then Hillary renting out American foreign policy.

And so I think Hillary’s goal, very different than Obama’s, is kind of to be the crime boss of America.  She wants to run America kind of the way that Al Capone would like to run Chicago.  If you think about what Al Capone’s objectives were, he wanted to basically have full access to the city Treasury, hand out contracts to all his buddies. He wanted to be able to dominate the place, and, if people criticized him, to push ’em off or snuff ’em out. And he wanted to be able to walk into the big Chicago stadium and have everyone shout with cult-like enthusiasm, “Big Al, Big Al, Big Al,” and that’s basically the twisted ambition of Hillary Clinton.

RUSH: Well, but yet she is ideological, Dinesh.

D’SOUZA:  She absolutely is, but —

RUSH:  I mean, she does have ideological designs.

D’SOUZA:  Yes, but here’s what I’m saying.  That the reason that she likes the progressive ideology is it delivers power right back to her.  In other words, if she lived in a country of limited government where the federal government had limited power, how could she acquire all this money and power for herself?  So she likes the progressive ideology ’cause it serves her racketeering objectives.

RUSH:  Well, I do know that both she and her husband have been obsessed with money and wealth from the day they got married.  They didn’t have any.  All the people they hung around with were very wealthy and they felt inadequate and insecure, and it’s been an obsession.  That’s what Whitewater was about and pretty much everything else that they have done.  So the movie’s out, it’s drawing record crowds, and it’s making just tremendous impressions on people.  You produced the movie, you know it intimately and you’re watching a Democrat convention.  I imagine it’s a frustrating thing for you.

D’SOUZA:  Well, it’s beautiful to have the movie come out just this week because it is such a powerful counter-narrative to all the nonsense that we’re hearing out of Philadelphia.  The Democrats keep saying we’re the party of the little guy and the ordinary man and we’re the party of Latinos and immigrants and blacks.  And part of what we show in the movie is that the Democratic Party is actually the party of slavery, of segregation, of Jim Crow, of the Ku Klux Klan, of lynching, of forced sterilization, sympathy for fascism in the 1930s.

The Democrats are the ones who interned the Japanese-Americans after World War II.  So unbelievably, this Democratic Party has been implicated in the most sordid and heinous acts of history, and yet in a move of unbelievable Jiu-Jitsu what they do is they take all their crimes and blame them on the south or blame them on the Republicans or blame them on America, as if America did this or America did that, but America didn’t do it.  The Democrats did.

RUSH:  Well, now, you ran through that list pretty quickly, and I know you don’t want to give away the entire movie here, but there’s a couple things I don’t want to gloss over.  You link the KKK to the Democrat Party. You link segregation, Jim Crow laws to the Democrat Party.  Do you realize if you took a survey of the American people, that would stun them, and most people wouldn’t believe that.  I’m curious to know how you figured that out, where you went to learn that, how it’s documented in the movie, and what your audience’s reaction to this is.  Because that’s big; it’s huge.

D’SOUZA:  So, Rush, I think this is the power of the movie.  It completely interrupts and discombobulates the Democratic narrative.  Now, it is a fact that it was a Democratic delegate to the Democratic National Convention, Nathan Bedford Forrest, who founded the Ku Klux Klan.  It is also a fact that the Klan had a massive revival in the early twentieth century due to a progressive Democratic president, Woodrow Wilson, screening a pro-Ku Klux Klan movie in the White House.

It is also a fact — and here I’m quoting the progressive historian Eric Foner — that for 30 years the Ku Klux Klan was the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party in this country. So these are the irrefutable facts of history and what is great is to see all these left-wing critics thrashing about and screaming about the movie, but they can’t find a single fact in it or in my accompanying book of the same title, Hillary’s America, they can’t find one thing that is even arguable, let alone wrong.

RUSH:  Have you watched the Democrat convention night after night this week?

D’SOUZA:  It has been both an amusing and nauseating and a hilarious sight.  I mean, to see Bill Clinton, that old scoundrel delivering this kind of highly edited introduction to Hillary, to listening to Obama last night, I mean, it’s quite a spectacle.  I don’t know if you know, Rush, but I sneaked my own way into the Democratic convention, actually got right on the floor, and I wish I could actually play the trailer or play my movie in that convention because they would need ambulances outside if I did that.

RUSH:  They’d throw back in jail, too. They’d come up with a reason to do that.  Dinesh, can she live up to all this that has been said about her tonight?  They can say all they want about the great things Obama said about her and the great things that Biden have said, the great things that Bill Clinton have said about it, but they’re not on the ballot, she is.  And she did not win in 2008.  She was overshadowed by Obama.  She is the one who has to convince people to vote for her.  These surrogates are not going to be able to make people vote for her.  Can she live up to all of this tonight?  You have to have a pretty decent understanding of her, having produced this movie and written the book.

D’SOUZA:  Yes, I think it’s gonna be tough for her because really she has known from early life that she does not have the gregariousness or the politically magnetic skills of Bill.  She has actually needed Bill more than he needs her because after all Bill is kind of her pitch man.  He’s the one who actually carried her into national politics.

RUSH:  Well, yeah.

D’SOUZA:  Without him she’d be nowhere.

RUSH:  You know, that’s an interesting point, too, because we hear of all this talk about the glass ceiling and how Hillary has broken down barriers.  If her last name wasn’t Clinton we wouldn’t know who she is or she certainly wouldn’t be running for president. So you could I think honestly, fairly say that she has piggybacked on her husband’s name and his success to get where she is and much of this is actually a payback to her for preserving his career and the Democrat Party by standing by him when he was enmeshed in all of his messes, shall we say.

D’SOUZA:  This is a really good point, Rush, that she has actually known about not only Bill’s infidelities but his sexual predation, she’s know about this from the early years but she realized that if she became his fixer or his enabler that this would in a sense glue him to her. he would depend on her to be able to continue to operate in this manner.  And so this is actually kind of a partnership in crime.  You may say that the family that steals together stays together.

RUSH:  Dinesh D’Souza of Hillary’s America.  I’m sure that people challenge your motives and question your motives because of the conservative background you have.  What do you say to people who ask you, “Why are you doing this?  Why a movie on Hillary?”  Obviously you don’t want her to win the election, but why are you doing this, why are you going into this much detail?

D’SOUZA:  Rush, I’m, as I say, a person of color.  I’m a brown-skinned immigrant to the United States.  I was born in Bombay, India.  I grew up in a country that’s ruled by gangs.  You saw a hint of it in Slumdog Millionaire.  This is a country with corruption running all the way through it. You can’t get through the day without paying bribes.  It makes you feel dirty at the end of the day.

I came to America to live a different kind of life and to experience the American dream.  No other country has a dream.  There’s no Indian dream. There’s no French dream. There’s no Chinese dream.  This is a country where you can start out at the bottom and, if you climb up the ladders of opportunity, you’re gonna get ahead.

So my politics is based on that, and that’s what I’m fighting for.  And these twisted people like Obama and Hillary represent a grave threat to that American dream, and that’s why I make these movies, and that’s why I write these books, and that’s why I want to be a part of the fight whether they lock me up or not.

RUSH:  So what do you think when you hear Obama last night try to do his impression of Ronald Reagan?

D’SOUZA:  It’s unbelievable to listen to this preposterous rhetoric.  You know, I was actually reading a book by the historian Kenneth Stampp, and it’s about the old slave plantation.  And he was talking about the different features of the slave plantation.  He talks about the fact that you have, for example, broken families, ramshackle dwellings, a high degree of violence necessary to hold the place together.  Everybody gets a meager provision of life, but nobody gets ahead.  There’s nihilism. There’s despair.

And I said to myself, wow, it sounds like the guy is describing inner city Oakland or Detroit or Chicago.  These are the urban plantations that Obama and Hillary have created.  They depend on them to deliver votes for them.  And so, in a sense, history isn’t dead; one of the reasons I include history in my books and movies is we’re living it out today.

Many of the themes of the old rural plantations the Democrats have recreated not just for blacks, but for immigrants they’ve created barrios, ghettos, and slums. They’re responsible for it.  There’s no Republicans around, it’s Democratic mayors, Democratic school superintendents, Democrats all the way down.  This is the miserable bigoted legacy of this Democratic Party.

RUSH:  It really is hideous the way they keep people dependent, the way they keep people poor, and all the while promising them paradise, promising them salvation, promising them emancipation.  And they themselves keep them barely subsisting and in a state of dependence for the purposes of maintaining and acquiring their own power.

It’s amazing how they’ve gotten away with it and I hope as many people as possible can see your movie because your movie exposes exactly what they’re up to and how they’ve gotten away with it.  What they have been able to do in reversing true history regarding race, racism and so forth back in the forties, fifties, sixties in this country and how they’ve been so easily able to transfer all that to the Republican Party is nothing short of breathtaking.

D’SOUZA:  Rush, if you’ll let me, the website for the movie is just HillarysAmericatheMovie.com.

RUSH:  Right.

D’SOUZA:  We’re playing in 1,200 theaters so people can enter their ZIP code and it will tell you exactly where the movie is playing near you.

RUSH:  HillarysAmericatheMovie.com is the website.  Dinesh, thanks for your time and continued best of fortune.  Good luck with this.  It’s a tremendous production, and it’s eye opening in terms of upsetting so much of what people think is conventional wisdom.

And I’ll tell you what’s gonna happen.  You’re gonna watch this and one of the main questions, folks, you’re gonna have is why have the Republicans allowed this to happen?  Why is it not until now, Dinesh D’Souza in his movie, why has it taken so long for an effort to tell the truth: the KKK the Democrat Party.  The KKK has always been the Democrat Party.  The mayors and the police chiefs that were denying civil rights, the Martin Luther King protestors were marching against Democrat segregationists.  And yet until this movie there has been no concerted effort to tell the truth about this.  Dinesh D’Souza.


RUSH: Here’s Laurie in Kalamazoo, Michigan.  Welcome to the EIB Network.  Hello.

CALLER:  Hi, Rush.  Huge dittos from Kalamazoo and happy anniversary to you, too.  It’s a huge honor to talk to you.

RUSH:  Well, thank you.

CALLER:  Yeah, I loved your interview with D’Souza.

RUSH:  Right.

CALLER:  I’ve seen the movie twice.  Loved it.  It’s great.

RUSH:  That would be Hillary’s America.  You’ve been to see it twice?

CALLER:  And you know what?  I’m gonna take the kids.  I’ve been encouraging everybody on Facebook to go see it. Got a bunch of backlash there, but I don’t care; I’m still gonna tell everybody.  But what I wanted to say about the movie was, I was talking to a friend of mine, and I want to know if this was happening to anybody else out there.  ‘Cause she had three complaints trying to see the movie.  The first one she had called and she actually talked a person that said the movie wasn’t showing in town, you could only see it in the big cities.

The movie was actually showing at the other theater in town, and when she called that message, the time message was garbled and hard to understand so she had to go to Facebook to find out, you know, the time.  And the third problem was, the movie actually stopped, it was cut and they had to repair it.  So I just think that’s kind of crazy to have all these issues. I’m wondering if anybody has had any issues just trying to see the movie.

RUSH:  Well, we’ll find out.  I know that a lot of people are hearing what you’re saying and thinking, “No, that would never happen. These people are not gonna sabotage their own effort to make money.  I mean, the theater owner is gonna play the movie. There’s no way he’s gonna turn customers away.  There’s no way the guy who’s already agreed to run the movie is gonna try to see to it that people don’t come see it.”

That may be right, but you don’t know about the employees of these places.  How about people that work in bookstores who go take a Rush Revere children’s book and put it in the cooking section turned upside down, outside back, or whatever.  Don’t discount that the employees of places like this, dyed-in-the-wool crackpot leftists, would do this.  There are story after story after story evidence of things like this happening.

The movie having to be stopped to be repaired, I don’t know if they’re running it on film. I don’t know how widespread digital projection is today in movie theaters.  I would need to ask Dinesh what the predominant media is he’s using to distribute this.  ‘Cause the days of big cans of film being flown around by FedEx, those are gone, unless they’re using giant 70-millimeter super-duper Technicolor, and even then.  So that sounds a little strange.

But the great thing is you’ve seen it twice and you want to take other people to go see it.  We had Dinesh D’Souza on earlier, and it’s the highest grossing documentary of the year, and it’s gonna be in probably the top five of all time in that category.

And what you do, you go to the website HillarysAmericatheMovie.com, all one word, no pronunciation, HillarysAmericatheMovie.com and put your ZIP code in and the website will return to you the nearest theaters.  It’s in over a thousand theaters now, so it should be relatively close by to most of you.  Laurie, thanks much.

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