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RUSH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ll repeat it. I said the first hour… Snerdley’s asking me to repeat something I would like to see. The first Democrat debate’s October did you say the 13th? (interruption) Well, it’s somewhere there. It’s in Nevada. And is it the 13th? (interruption) It’s my mother’s birthday. Anyway… It’s Margaret Thatcher’s birthday, too. Anyway. You know, after the Fox debate and the first round of questions to Trump, there were a lot of people saying, “You know, that kind of stuff, nobody ever asked Democrat candidates that kind of stuff.”

Well, I’ve got a way, I’ve got a way it can be done. You need a female moderator. Take your pick. It could be Cokie Roberts, could be Andrea Mitchell (NBC News, Washington). You need maybe a male moderator, actually, just to reverse things, just to keep it consistent. Mrs. Clinton, it’s time for the first question of the debate on CNN, and the moderator says, “Mrs. Clinton, let me mention seven names to you: Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, Gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky, Beth Dozoretz, Denise Rich.”

Of course the crowd would be booing and hissing and Mrs. Clinton would be frowning and trying to fake a smile while that’s going on, then the moderator says, “Now, tell us, how can you look at anyone with a straight face? Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, Gennifer Flowers, Beth Dozoretz, Denise Rich, Monica Lewinsky. How could you look at anybody with a straight face and talk to them about family values when It Takes a Village to satisfy your husband?”

You don’t think that the Drive-By Media would be all over that moderator. That’d be the last debate that moderator would ever do. (chuckles) I have no idea what Hillary would do with the question. But, I mean, if we want to have tit-for-tat, if we want to see similar treatment which people have told me, “We never see something like this in a Democrat debate,” this is a way we could see it. (interruption) It’s Tuesday, October 13th. Okay. Put it on the calendar. We have to do that. CNN will be doing a countdown, a minute-by-minute countdown for three days prior so we don’t have to put it on the calendar.

Here’s Bob, Brunswick, Georgia, great you called, welcome to the EIB Network, sir. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Rush. How are you today?

RUSH: Very well. Thank you.

CALLER: Good, good. Hey, listen, I just want to make a comment. You know, I really want to support Trump, and, you know, he’s been saying a lot of things that we’ve been waiting for and, you know, it’s kind of exciting and a different time in politics. We haven’t seen this probably ever. I want to trust that he’s an honest broker. I want to trust that he’s an honest broker, but, you know, he has had many different positions over the years. My issue is that the phone call. There’s never a coincidence with the Clintons, and Bill’s phone call to encourage Trump to run?

RUSH: Oh, yeah.

CALLER: That’s really a large wall that I have to climb to get over to support him. I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist. But don’t you think what’s happening right now, all the dustup with Trump — especially the first question in the debate — plays right into the Clintons’ hands that they’re just loving that?

RUSH: Well, now, that’s a secondary thing. Let me think about that.

CALLER: Yeah, there were a few of them there.

RUSH: The first question: Plays into the Clintons’ hands. What do you mean?

CALLER: The raise-your-hand question.

RUSH: Oh, the raise-your-hand question on third-party business?


RUSH: I was thinking the other question about the names he’s called women.

CALLER: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Again, I like him slapping political correctness in the face and not backing down on it.

RUSH: Right, right.

CALLER: But what I’m saying is the phone call bothers me because there’s no coincidences with the Clintons. There’s none, and for him to make a phone call to Trump before he decides to get in and then all of a sudden he gets in and seeing what’s happening now and all the dustup… I mean, that debate was full of substance but all we’re talking about is Trump, you know? To me, it just plays right into the Clintons’ hands. You know, if the potential of him going a third party, it’s, “Hello, Hillary in the White House.”

RUSH: That’s a legitimate concern, and a lot of people have it.

CALLER: So I want to know what you think. I want to know — considering what you told us for 28 years, that there are no coincidences when it comes to the Clintons — what do you think?

RUSH: Well, you’re asking me if I think that there is a Clinton-Trump cabal that has been arranged behind the scenes —

CALLER: I don’t know.

RUSH: — and Trump is doing at the behest of, the wishes of the Clintons to sabotage the Republican campaign and field in two, is that the setup?

CALLER: Well, I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist.

RUSH: That’s not conspiracy. That’s political strategy, not conspiracy theory. Hey, just ’cause you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

CALLER: Yeah, yeah. Well, I just find it a little bit suspect, you know?

RUSH: Well, here, hang on a minute. I’m gonna make you own this question. Hang on through the break here. I will come back here and tackle this. I want to get to the real meaning of your question.


RUSH: Now back to Bob in Brunswick, Georgia. Bob, let’s review what we know about that phone call.


RUSH: There are two versions of that phone call. The Trump version of the phone call is… Wait a minute, I’m not sure there’s a Trump version. The Clinton version of the phone call is, “Yeah, we made a call. We didn’t talk about the campaign. It was just a courtesy call. I didn’t talk about, didn’t urge him to do anything.” The other people talking about the call say that Clinton did call and urged Trump to go for it; Republican Party needs new juice. The conservative movement needs new juice or whatever.

Two thoughts on this, Bob, honestly.

I really believe that the fact that we have heard about that call means it didn’t happen. If that call had really happened, if Bill Clinton had really called… Like you’ve asking me, if Bill Clinton call called Donald Trump and told Donald Trump — made a deal with him — to run, to screw the Republican Party, make sure he ran as a third-party candidate to give it to Hillary, we would have never heard about it. We would have never heard about that. The phone call leak came from Clinton aides. The fact we’ve heard about this call came from a leak by Clinton aides. Now, let me give —

CALLER: If Trump’s so honest, why doesn’t he just say the phone call never happened?

RUSH: I don’t know. I’m not sure how he’s dealt with it. Has he commented on this at all?

CALLER: I don’t know if he has or not, but I haven’t heard him say… I mean, believe me: If the phone call didn’t happen, I would think Donald Trump would say, “The phone call never happened.” Like he’s been doing. Like he’s been, you know, being honest with everything else. He would have said immediately, “The phone call never happened.” Why didn’t he?

RUSH: I just think if all of this is a deep Clinton ploy to get Trump in the race, they wouldn’t want to undermine the whole thing early on like this by leaking this and alerting everybody’s attention to it such as yours. But on the other side –

CALLER: (interrupting)

RUSH: Now, wait just a second, now. Are you aware of how close to the Bush family the Clintons are? Particularly Bill Clinton?

CALLER: Oh, sure.

RUSH: I don’t know if you are. Bill Clinton goes to Kennebunkport every August.

CALLER: I’m sorry, go ahead.

RUSH: Barbara Bush has called Bill Clinton a son she never had.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: Bill Clinton and the Bush family are tied, ever since Obama sent ’em on this charity, this tsunami thing. Bush 41 and Clinton, and Bush 43 and Clinton have gotten pretty close. What’s to say that Clinton didn’t call Jeb and urge Jeb on?

CALLER: Well —

RUSH: We don’t know. But look, as I say, you’re not being a conspiracy theorist. I mean, we know that there was a phone call.


RUSH: We think the Clintons leaked that there was a phone call.

CALLER: Well, if you ever interview Trump, ask him what exactly was the story. Did he encourage you or didn’t he? You know, to me it seems like a situation where there’s no point —

RUSH: How do you think Trump would answer that? I can tell you right now how he’d answer that.

CALLER: Well, if he didn’t make the phone call, he’d say the phone call never happened.

RUSH: No, no. Trump’s people said it happened.

CALLER: Oh. Well, I don’t know how he’d answer it.

RUSH: Well, I can think —

CALLER: That’s why you’re here.

RUSH: I can think of any number of ways. Somebody tell me what the website is. You guys print things out. Oh, it’s CNN’s website. “Trump Denies Bill Clinton Talked Him into Running.” Let’s see. “Donald Trump said Friday that a phone call he had with former President Bill Clinton had no bearing on his decision to seek the White House, despite coming several weeks before he kicked off his bid. ‘My mind was already totally made up. I was already running, essentially,’ Trump told CNN’s Don Lemon on CNN Tonight, saying [he] was ‘Hillary’s worst nightmare.’

“‘We didn’t really discuss it,’ Trump said,” whether he was running or not. By the way, the Clinton people who leaked the call also said that they didn’t talk about Trump’s campaign or Trump running or anything. But I know that doesn’t erase your concern. You’re sitting there some legitimate concern because Trump won’t take the pledge, right?

CALLER: Right, right. Right. Well, we’ll see, Rush. We’ll see.

RUSH: That’s answer —

CALLER: It’s a long campaign.

RUSH: That’s exactly right.

CALLER: Wait 16 more months, and we’ll see what happens, so I appreciate it, Rush, and I appreciate your 28 years which I’ve been here for.

RUSH: Thank you very much.

CALLER: It’s been great.

RUSH: Let me ask you another question.


RUSH: Not a trick question, and it may sound silly. What do you think has a better chance of happening: Trump getting out of the race or Hillary not finishing the race?

CALLER: Wow, that’s a good question. That’s a really good question.

RUSH: Because all this is predicated on Hillary’s the nominee, right? And it may not be in stone yet. I mean, you take a look here, and there’s all kinds of forces mounting out there in opposition to her and her polling data is plummeting. It’s fading. The bloom’s off the rose here. There’s nothing automatic about her nomination right now.

CALLER: Well, don’t you think it’s still kind of a long shot for anyone, including Bernie Sanders, or Joe Biden?


CALLER: I mean, realistically?

RUSH: I do not.

CALLER: You don’t think it’s a long shot.

RUSH: Nope. Nope. Not — ’cause of 2008.


RUSH: I don’t think it’s a long shot at all that Mrs. Clinton’s not the nominee. I wouldn’t say the odds are that she’s not the nominee, but I don’t think it’s a long shot that she’s not the nominee. It’s happened once. She was on the way to being coronated. By the way, in 2008, she was arguably more destined to get the nomination than she is this year, and it didn’t take much to split the Democrat Party down the middle. You look at these crowds that Bernie Sanders is drawing.

And there’s a common denominator in 2008 and 2000, well, ’15, ’16. Here we are 2015, and the common denominator is, whenever anybody in a Democrat primary other than Hillary Clinton gets into it, there is rabid enthusiasm for ’em. There was rabid enthusiasm for Barack Hussein O. There is building, rabid enthusiasm for Bernie Sanders. You’ve the also got O’Malley out there lurking and Biden possibly. You just said it. It’s really, really early.

Front-runners this early really have only one direction they can go. I mean, when you’re at the top, what happens? “Hillary spokeswoman…” This is from August 6th in The Politico. “Hillary Spokeswoman: Bill Clinton Did Not Give Donald Trump Advice.” This is my point, folks. If this happened, nobody’s gonna own up to it. If Bill Clinton called and made a deal with Trump to run and if he doesn’t get the nomination go third party and steering everything to Hillary, nobody’s gonna admit that. But they do admit that the phone call happened. So I understand your concern about this.

Like I say: Just because you’re paranoid, does not mean they’re not out to get you.


RUSH: Folks, Hillary might even be indicted before election time, for all we know. Not that that would hurt her. It’s very, very difficult for Democrats to run afoul of the law, and even when they do, it doesn’t seem to hurt them. If people knew the truth about this woman — I mean, going all the way back to the bimbo eruptions stuff, the Arkansas move forward — how she enabled Clinton to behave with all of these women and destroy some of their lives?

She was the enabler. She was the one that led the charge crediting these women. That to this e-mail stuff, the server, the fact that the ChiComs have hacked so much of our government computer system, Russian reset, Benghazi? The fact that this woman has not been damaged by any of this, seriously, is a testament to the power of pop culture in this country. That’s why all bets are off here.

Let’s face it: The pop culture is part and parcel of Trump’s staying power as well, although his I think is owing to much more than pop culture. As I discussed, there’s a deep, deep, deep reservoir of unrequited anger on the part of, I think, at least half of the voting population of this country, livid over the last seven years.


RUSH: Here’s Jerry in Eugene, Oregon. Great to have you on the program, Jerry. Hello.

CALLER: Good morning, Rush. You know, I’ve been hearing some of Trump’s old interviews with him talking about how liberal he is, his gay rights and abortion support.

RUSH: Yeah?

CALLER: And makes me think he’d make a really good conservative Democrat. If he was to switch parties right now while he’s on top, get his nose in the door before Hillary’s indicted, who would stop him from getting the Democrat nomination?

RUSH: Yeah. (sigh) There’s no such thing right now as a successful conservative Democrat.

CALLER: Well, the Trump’s breaking all the rules.

RUSH: Yeah, but not in their party. He’s breaking the rules in the Republican Party. He’s not breaking the rules the Democrat Party.

CALLER: Yeah, but that’s ’cause he’s not there.

RUSH: Well, but even if he were… Okay, this is a new one.

CALLER: Just a thought.

RUSH: Look, I understand this. Let’s just put this out there, okay, because time here is dwindling and this is the second call in this half hour that has a central theme to it that the caller is not voicing. I’m gonna put it out there: “Trump is a fake. Trump is a fraud. He isn’t who he says he is. One of these days, everybody’s gonna wake up and see it, and what if this is true, Rush? What if I’m right? What if Trump is a fraud? What if he really is a Democrat? What if the Clintons really did make a deal with him?

“What if he really is pro-choice? What if he really is pro-gay marriage, pro-gay rights? What if he is pulling the wool over everybody’s eyes? What do we do then, Rush?” That’s what these two callers have said. My answer is: Let it play out, folks. It’s early and the people who are going to finish at the top of this thing will finish at the top. Substance will win out here; I have confidence in it. It’s just early here. All these what-ifs, there are no way of knowing. But if they manifest as doubts, then your decision’s made: Trump’s not your guy at this point.

It’s as simple as that.

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