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RUSH: Okay, back to the phones we go, having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have, Rush Limbaugh, serving humanity by being here.

James, Statesville, North Carolina, great to have you. Hello.

CALLER: Hi, Rush. Thanks for taking my call. How are you today?

RUSH: I’m well. Thank you for asking.

CALLER: I’m glad to hear it. Well, I wanted to talk about the transitional people. And you discussed transgender and transable, but there are a couple things that haven’t been touched on. And one of those is that many people believe in reincarnation, and there are cases of people who believe that they have been reincarnated in a human body with the soul of an animal. And that’s something —

RUSH: Give me an example of someone I might know, say a public figure or celebrity, who thinks that they’ve been reincarnated as an animal in a human body.

CALLER: I cannot.

RUSH: But you know that this is happening, some people have the soul of an animal, and nobody’s talking about this, we’re all focused on transgenders and transables, but a whole group that we’re ignoring?

CALLER: Well, we’re not necessarily ignoring. It’s just not particularly common. And I bring it up because there was a period in my own life when I was in college —

RUSH: Yes.

CALLER: — and I had gone through a somewhat traumatic breakup, and I played a lot of Ultimate Frisbee. And are you familiar with Ultimate Frisbee?

RUSH: Am I familiar with Ultimate Frisbee? Well —


RUSH: I know what Frisbees are. Is Ultimate Frisbee a game?

CALLER: Yeah. One of the main rules is that if you catch the Frisbee you must throw it before you can move, so you can’t run with the Frisbee. Other than that the rules are basically like football. And I got very involved in that game and it just incensed me that I couldn’t run with the Frisbee. So while I was in school I began seeing a counselor, at the school, and complaining to him that the only thing that I wanted, after becoming so involved, was to be able to run with the Frisbee. And I sarcastically said, “Maybe I’m like a dog or something or –“

RUSH: You say this happened to you after a traumatic breakup of a relationship, traumatic breakup?

CALLER: Yes. It was just very ugly. Nothing actually terrible happened other than breakup which resulted in —

RUSH: Right. I’m having trouble hearing you, and —

CALLER: I’m sorry.

RUSH: — I’m having trouble following you. And you said “dog.” I’ve watched dogs chase Frisbee at halftime at football games. Is that what you’re talking about, Ultimate Frisbee?

CALLER: No, it’s its own sport that humans play. But one way or the other I became convinced for a month or so that my actual spirit being was that of a dog —


CALLER: — in a human.

RUSH: So transspecies in other words?


RUSH: I got it. I got it. Yeah. But only for a month, only for a month?

CALLER: A couple of months, but less than a year. And it was while I was going to — I continued to see this counselor —

RUSH: I’ve gotta hold on. I’ve got a break coming up here, and if you can hold on —

CALLER: All right.

RUSH: — we’ll continue this. We will, yeah, after the break.


RUSH: Okay, we’re back here now to James in Statesville, North Carolina. Let me see if I understand this, because the last thing I want to do is make a mistake here in understanding. You have had times in your life where you’ve felt like you had the soul of a dog following a traumatic breakup with a woman who mistreated you profoundly. And in that time of when you had the soul of a dog, you enjoyed playing Ultimate Frisbee.

And your point is that while everybody’s focusing on transgendered, male-to-female, female-to-male, and transabled, like the guy in Canada who really didn’t want his left arm so he cut it off, you think that people who are transspecies like you are not receiving the full attention and awareness that you deserve or should have. That your cause or your circumstances are being overwhelmed and dwarfed by this Jenner business. Is that somewhat close?

CALLER: That is certainly part of it.

RUSH: Well, what am I, in all of that, what, pray tell, am I missing?

CALLER: Well, let me briefly finish my story. I quit playing Ultimate Frisbee and I began running very often.

RUSH: Oh, you quit playing Ultimate Frisbee and started running. Okay.

CALLER: Yes. After I was unable to deal with the fact that I couldn’t run with the Frisbee.

RUSH: Right. You caught the Frisbee and you were paralyzed.

CALLER: Right. It’s very aggravating. It’s very aggravating for most players of the game. It’s part of the challenge.

RUSH: Right. I understand that.

CALLER: But I’d gone for a run very late one night and I’d just seen my counselor, and he had been encouraging me to consider the fact that I may have the soul of something other than a human in my human body.

RUSH: Which would explain why you couldn’t run with the Frisbee?

CALLER: Something like that.

RUSH: Okay. Well, I’m just trying to understand. I’m not putting words in your mouth, but I’m trying to understand this. I’m trying to associate the Frisbee paralysis with the Frisbee, traumatic breakup with the woman, and the counselor saying that you might have the soul of an animal.

CALLER: Right. Well, the traumatic breakup really only served to make me somewhat unstable for a period of time. That’s why I brought it up.

RUSH: Ah. And it was during that period of instability that —


RUSH: I see. I see.

CALLER: And I’d gone on a run, and I found late at night that I had to use the restroom.

RUSH: No, you’re not gonna tell me that you stopped at a fire hydrant, please.

CALLER: No, no, no. I’m not. But I stopped in the woods. I was running on a trail, and it was late at night, there weren’t many other people, and so I was very close to the edge of the trail and another runner came by —

RUSH: Uh-oh.

CALLER: — with a dog, and began telling me that I was too close to the trail. I responded by saying, “I’m not really close to the trail.” There weren’t a lot of people, and she said, “No, you’re entirely too close to the trail.” (beeping) I’m sorry.

RUSH: I think you need to put your seat belt on there, yeah, seat belt chime, be a bad thing in your shape. Okay. Well, we are more aware. I think your call has served the purpose of raising our consciousness. I still don’t know what’s the point about being too close to the trail. Why? The trail is just as much yours as anybody else’s, even if you thought you were a dog. In fact, even more so if you thought you were an animal.

Anyway, we practice great sensitivity here at the EIB Network, and we are not for the discrimination or the suppression of any species or gender or orientation or what have you. I appreciate the call out there, James, very much.

Susan in central New York. Great to have you here. Hello.

CALLER: Hello, Rush.


CALLER: Thank you so much. I’m calling because I’ve been so surprised that for the last six or seven weeks no one at all has mentioned the Chastity-Chas Bono transition. And, to me, there’s a big difference in the way it’s played out. I thought that Cher handled the whole transition female to male very classy. There was no big rollout. There was no big show coming up or —

RUSH: Right.

CALLER: — anything like that. There was really a ring of sincerity about it. And a couple of years ago it seems to me I saw him, Chas, show up in the Ellen show, announcing his engagement to a very lovely girl, who he had with him. And I was, up until that point, very kind of, you know, very uncomfortable —

RUSH: I’m just thinking what the Stick-to-the-Issues Crowd must be thinking right now.

CALLER: He was so lovely. And I don’t want to say “lovely” in a female sense. He was so charming —

RUSH: Yes.

CALLER: — so sincere —

RUSH: Chas Bono, you mean.

CALLER: — so much in love, and somehow that fell through, and I felt very bad about it. But it’s so different from —

RUSH: Yeah.

CALLER: — the Jenner —

RUSH: Yeah, you know, that’s a great point. Now that you say it, now that you mention it, I, too, am shocked that no one has mentioned Chas Bono. I didn’t even think of Chas Bono during all of this. I can’t understand why. I didn’t see the Ellen show that you talked about. (interruption) No, I’ve never seen the Ellen show, but that doesn’t mean anything. I’ve seen Ellen’s wife, or husband, hell, I don’t know which is which. Portia. She’s on Scandal, Portia de Rossi or whatever. But I’ve never seen the Ellen show. Chas Bono. Yeah, that was Chas Bono. Susan, thanks for the call. I’m sitting here with all this, I’m wondering what the Stick-to-the-Issues Crowd’s saying about now.


RUSH: Here’s Bob in Vale, Oregon. It’s great to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER: Hello, Mr. Limbaugh. It’s a pleasure to talk to you, sir.

RUSH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER: I’ll trying to make it quick. Classic case of American trans-ethnicity. Do you remember some public information spots on TV years ago: A river littered with garbage and on the bank a noble Indian with a tear in his eye —

RUSH: Oh, yeah.

CALLER: — telling people to beautify America? Let’s not lose or American heritage of the land. The Indian — the actor portraying the Indian — was named Iron Eyes Cody and for all intents and purposes everyone believed he was a Native American. But in reality he was a Sicilian-American from Louisiana. I’m sorry I can’t supply his Italian name, but I gather the individual just became enamored of Indian culture and preferred to be an American Indian, and indeed professionally he was Iron Eyes Cody.

RUSH: He was an actor.


RUSH: A freaking actor!

CALLER: Uh-huh.

RUSH: This is a great point. Now, you’re lumping this here in with trans whatever it is, but this was just liberal fraud. Of course maybe all the rest of this trans stuff is fraud, too, but we had way back, folks. This is in the sixties and seventies when understandably many of you in this audience were not even a thought. We were on this kick for anti-pollution and anti-trash and garbage and keep America clean and all this, which is fine and dandy.

The activist that had the plan produced a PSA that ran all over television, and it was this guy dressed up like a mid-level Indian chief, Native-American Indian chief. He’s standing by the roadside as your average American family in the family sedan — mom and dad and the 2.8 kids and a scraggly dog — go driving by, and they throw a bunch of garbage out of the car as they drive by the Indian chief. The garbage is blown by the wind across his moccasins and so forth.

He’s standings there watching it, and a single tear is seen streaming down his cheek. And the image is clear: “Native Americans were pristine, were never polluters. They were at one with nature. They were at one with the land — except the buffalo. They wiped ’em out. But everything else they were in love with, and they treated this nation with great respect, and then here we came, mom and dad and the 2.8 kids. A bunch of typical, scruffy American kids, spoiled rotten!

“They’re in the family sedan throwing a McDonald’s bag out the car, polluting this land that was really the Indians.” It was one of the biggest guilt trips that had been forced on the American people, and then it was learned later that Iron Eyes Cody wasn’t even an Indian. He was an actor. He was an Italian. He wasn’t even a real Indian. They weren’t real tears. There was nothing about it that was real ’cause it never really happened! The family never really drove by and never really threw the McDonald’s sack at the guy.

It was staged.

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