{"id":8824,"date":"2014-07-23T17:50:12","date_gmt":"2014-07-23T17:50:12","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2014-07-23T17:50:12","modified_gmt":"2014-07-23T17:50:12","slug":"civilian_casualties_are_part_of_war","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2014\/07\/23\/civilian_casualties_are_part_of_war\/","title":{"rendered":"Civilian Casualties are Part of War"},"content":{"rendered":"

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RUSH: This is Greg in Rochester, Minnesota, and thank you for waiting. Hello, sir.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I just wanted to make the point, first-time caller, long-time listener in Rochester, Minnesota, the home of the Mayo Clinic, just to put in a plug. In your monologue you said that the United States essentially targeted billions in the bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden. It\u2019s actually technically not correct. Historically they were very careful to point out that they were actually bombing the military targets in those cities. If they had been targeting civilians that would have been considered a war crime and being against the laws of war.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Uhhhh, really?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes. Because there are laws for —<\/p>\n

RUSH: So we had a surgical nuclear strike on Hiroshima only —<\/p>\n

CALLER: Actually, there were more people killed in the firebombing of Tokyo. Over a million people were killed there, but they made the same statement, they were bombing the war shop there.<\/p>\n

RUSH: So you disagree with the premise. My premise was it\u2019s not that civilians were, quote, targeted, but you bombed, you bombed civilians. You bombed and you committed acts against the civilian population of a country in order to secure victory. We didn\u2019t just attack military installations bombing Dresden or Hiroshima or Nagasaki. <\/line><\/p>\n

CALLER: Are you familiar with the laws of war?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, frankly, not the ones you\u2019re talking about.<\/p>\n

CALLER: There are actually laws of war. There was a Geneva Convention.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah. I\u2019m very familiar with Geneva. We granted terrorists the Geneva Convention rights when they aren\u2019t deserving of them.<\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s the whole point. The whole point of the laws of war is to try to prevent civilian casualties. To give you an example of the laws of war, you have to wear a uniform or some openly identifiable symbol that you\u2019re a combatant —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, so when the Al-Qaeda hijackers targeted the World Trade Center, what was that?<\/p>\n

CALLER: That was an act of terrorism. It was also called a war crime. They were not identified as combatants. They targeted civilians.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That was not a war crime. By the way, Japan never signed the Geneva Convention.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I know they didn\u2019t. But what I\u2019m saying is the reason you\u2019re seeing some of the behavior you see in the United States, and Israel also<\/a>, is that they\u2019re trying not to violate the laws of war. But it\u2019s impossible when you have, you know, the combatants not wearing uniforms. Also one of the other laws of war —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Absolutely, which a Palestinian or Hamas trick. My point, my ultimate point in this is that we are tying one hand behind the back of every uniformed military personnel in our country, wherever we are, Afghanistan or Iraq, with our rules of engagement. And we\u2019re tying essentially Israel both hands<\/a>, both arms behind their back with this requirement that they only conduct surgical strikes of military targets only, which Hamas makes impossible. <\/p>\n

I\u2019m just trying to contrast this with it did not use to be this way. Geneva Convention, laws of war, whatever. The fact of the matter is, in World War II there were massive civilian casualties and they led to victory. It\u2019s a horrible thing. Now, don\u2019t misunderstand me, folks. I am not standing up and shouting in support of this. War is a horrible thing. Nobody likes it. That\u2019s the point. The left thinks that military people are bloodthirsty, all insane generals that can\u2019t wait to start killing people. Nobody likes it. And it\u2019s precisely because there are civilian casualties involved that\u2019s at the top of the list of reasons why people don\u2019t like it. It\u2019s how wars have been won. It\u2019s just the nature of the game. <\/line><\/p>\n

There\u2019s nothing clean or surgical about it, and there never has been. And the effort to say that it can be or that it should be is disingenuous. You can have all the rules of war you want, which are words, and you can have all the laws of war you want, which are words, but there are precise, specific definitions of victory. And you can take a look at every major conflict the world has ever seen, and you can easily discern the victors and the losers by virtue of casualties. Because at some point the losers surrender or they are either totally wiped out. But in no case does it happen with negotiations. In no instance does it happen with the Red Cross going in, with doctors and nurses and clean water and Doctors Without Borders and all of this other feel-good leftist claptrap. <\/p>\n

War is not clean. I\u2019ve always thought that this phrase “war crimes” is kind of redundant. What Hamas is doing is criminal already. The distinction between terrorism and warfare, that\u2019s another way to handcuff ourselves, in my estimation, and once again with words. Now, I did not mean to imply that the United States set out to wipe out as many civilians as possible in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. But when you\u2019re gonna nuke a city, sorry, there is inarguably one thing that\u2019s gonna happen. When you start dropping bombs from countless B-17s and B-25s over Dresden, there are certain realities that are gonna happen on the ground. <\/p>\n

The Germans, when they were launching their V-2s into London, there was nothing surgical about it. That was terrorism. It was also warfare. It\u2019s one of these ugly, really hard to deal with realities. It is what it is, but you can\u2019t sugarcoat it. What we\u2019re doing is trying to give ourselves some kind of comfort with words that our intentions are honorable by surgical strike this, surgical strike that. That\u2019s okay if you want to mount that as a PR campaign. But when you literally tell an ally like Israel, when you\u2019re gonna punish them for Hamas civilian casualties that Hamas is responsible for, it\u2019s so out of whack, it\u2019s so ridiculous, it\u2019s beyond the point of absurd now.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s gotten to the point of dangerous, and our caller from Jerusalem was spot on. The only thing I would disagree with him about, I think the war has already been brought to the United States. It\u2019s not just that if Israel is wiped out, we\u2019re next. We\u2019re already in the mix. They have already launched attacks on us, and they\u2019ve tried, no doubt, several times since 9\/11, and there will be more. And it\u2019s not gonna stop until they\u2019re defeated. <\/p>\n

Why was there no call to negotiate with bin Laden? Everybody demanding that Israel sit down at some peace conference table with Hamas, why didn\u2019t we demand of ourselves do the same with bin Laden or his number two, al-Zawahiri? (interruption) Right, because we knew it was pointless. Who now do we negotiate with, with Al-Qaeda to get \u2019em to stop? What are we doing in Iraq? What are we doing in Afghanistan? We\u2019re trying to wipe \u2019em out, right? And we handcuff ourselves when we say, “Now, you can\u2019t take out any civilians, rules of engagement and so forth.” We\u2019re making our own uniformed personnel sitting ducks in a lot of these places. It\u2019s absurd. <\/p>\n

See, if you\u2019re gonna do war, here\u2019s the thing. I don\u2019t want to be misunderstood. I think it should always be the last option, but when you commit to it you better go all-in. It is what it is. The purpose of armies, I\u2019ll never forget this. My late friend out in Sacramento said that the purpose of armies is to kill people and break things. And it is that simple. That\u2019s exactly what happens in a war. You kill people and break things. <\/p>\n

Now, if you\u2019re gonna turn your agents of killing people and breaking things into a social experimentation playground, if you\u2019re gonna turn it into a laboratory experiment for equality and sameness and fairness, you deserve what you get, because if you don\u2019t go all-in for victory, you are going to lose. And that is unacceptable. As Patton said, “Americans love a winner. Americans hate a loser.” But that was 1940s Americans. Today we have a lot more Americans who think America\u2019s guilty just because we exist and because of our existence and how we have used our existence. <\/p>\n

It\u2019s a sick place out there. And that\u2019s why I think you need really, really smart, brave people who understand exactly what\u2019s at stake every time this kind of policy is instituted, meaning war. It is not something that you do halfway, if you\u2019re serious about it. There\u2019s another truism. The aggressor always sets the rules. You can have all the Geneva Conventions you want, and you can have all the laws of war and all the rules of war. If you\u2019re up against somebody in war who\u2019s breaking \u2019em, what are you gonna do, go to court? “Hey, they\u2019re cheating on the battlefield! It\u2019s not fair.” You\u2019re gonna be laughed off the battlefield. That\u2019s not how you deal with it. <\/p>\n

You don\u2019t go to the guidance counselor or the phys ed coach and say, “Hey, make \u2019em stop.” You deal with what\u2019s coming at you. The aggressor in any conflict, be a bully in the backyard or a set of bullies in a school yard or on a battlefield, the aggressor sets the rules in every case. Look at Hitler\u2019s rules. What was the objective? How we gonna stop that? There was only one way and it wasn\u2019t with surgical anything, and it wasn\u2019t with words, and it wasn\u2019t with all this other feel good happy horse manure stuff. John Kerry (imitating Kerry), “Hey, this is the twenty-first century. That stuff doesn\u2019t apply anymore. That\u2019s old-fashioned. Don\u2019t these people get it?” Just absurd. Dangerous and absurd. <\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: By the way, one clarification, folks. The Geneva Convention didn\u2019t even come into play \u2019til 1949, long after World War II. There wasn\u2019t any of this handcuff rules of war, laws of war. The Geneva Convention, Japan was not a signatory. Now, let me say one other thing about the atomic bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. <\/p>\n

I remember when I lived in Sacramento, we had a mayor out there by the name of Ann Rudin, and every anniversary she had this ceremony organized in downtown to basically apologize the Japanese. “We\u2019re sorry.” I remember, I went nuts on every day that she did this. “What do you mean, ‘We\u2019re sorry\u2019? We meant to do everything that we did. What are you talking about? Apologize for what? We meant it!” <\/p>\n

It was just liberals being liberals, and they wanted to assuage their guilt, and they felt so bad about it. So they had these massive apology sit-ins or whatever the hell they were on the anniversary of these bombings. It drove me nuts because we intended to do everything, and why? There was a military reason. Well, there were two military reasons. But in addition to the second military reason was actually a deterrent factor. <\/p>\n

We knew that the Japanese were targeting a significant number of American soldiers and naval personnel, and it was them or victory. Harry Truman said he was not going to leave them to die. The second reason — and this one is just as important. You wonder why the atom bomb has really only been used one time? (Well, if you count Hiroshima and Nagasaki as one instance.)<\/p>\n

We dropped those bombs to show the rest of the world, at the time, the power we had. It was a message of “don\u2019t mess with us. You can only take us so far, and then we have this capability,” and they haven\u2019t been used since. It\u2019s part and parcel of why do you build ever more powerful, bigger warplanes, such as stealth bombers, massive cargo transports?<\/p>\n

Why do you keep upgrading your nuclear arsenal? The truthful answer is, so that you never have to use it. Now, you try that bit of logic on a liberal who is predisposed to hating the military — and, like most of them, thinking that our military is the focus of evil in the modern world, that our military is an agent of destabilization in the world. That\u2019s what they believe. <\/p>\n

You tell \u2019em the next time a defense budget argument comes up, “We need to build that bomber, Bomber X, so that we hopefully will never have to use it.” “Oh, come on! You\u2019re stupid! What do you mean? You want to build a bomber so you can kill people! You want to build a bomber so you can run around and oppress people!” No. We want to build it so we never have to use it. <\/p>\n

Eventually, after they get rid of the histrionics, they\u2019ll ask, “What in the world do you mean, ‘build it so you never have to use it\u2019?” It\u2019s called deterrence. As long as our enemies know and fear what we can do, they\u2019re not gonna taunt us, they\u2019re not gonna challenge us, and they\u2019re not gonna take us on — and that\u2019s why you keep upgrading. That\u2019s why you invest in the best defense money can buy. <\/p>\n

That\u2019s why. <\/p>\n

And then you advertise what you\u2019ve got. What do you think really worked about Reagan and Star Wars, the Strategic Defense Initiative? Margaret Thatcher always said that it was that, ultimately, which caused Gorbachev and the others to give up, and it didn\u2019t even exist! We were going to build it. They knew we could. They also knew they couldn\u2019t. <\/p>\n

They were a Third World country with a First World military, and they simply couldn\u2019t keep up. They knew we could. We didn\u2019t even have to build it, and it worked. That\u2019s why you do it, and that\u2019s another reason why those bombs were dropped in Japan, and they haven\u2019t been used since. That was a pretty big horror show — and those were small, compared to what exists today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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