{"id":8236,"date":"2014-10-01T17:44:47","date_gmt":"2014-10-01T17:44:47","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2014-10-01T17:44:47","modified_gmt":"2014-10-01T17:44:47","slug":"former_military_caller_on_iraq_pullout","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2014\/10\/01\/former_military_caller_on_iraq_pullout\/","title":{"rendered":"Former Military Caller on Iraq Pullout"},"content":{"rendered":"

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RUSH: Perry, Florida. This is Michael. Thank you for waiting, sir, and welcome to the program.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Thanks, Rush. First-time caller, longtime listener. I just want to give you a quick bio on me real fast. I spent the last eight years of my military career assigned to Headquarters Central Command in Tampa. I worked directly in the J5 Plans and Policy Directorate. Politically I am a registered Republican, vote Republican, but I\u2019m mostly constitutional conservative. <\/p>\n

Part of my job in my work at CENTCOM was dealing with the troop forces and troop levels in Afghanistan and Iraq. As much as it pains me to sound like I\u2019m gonna support Obama, because I am not an Obama supporter, the fact of the matter is all the troop levels that you are talking about and hearing in the news from all the generals — that we needed to leave 10, 15, 20, 25, 30,000 troops on the ground in Iraq<\/a> to stabilize it — are all true. <\/p>\n

We saw reports of the various levels because there were various scenarios we were being asked to run up. The difficulty was that al-Maliki refused. No matter what we did and what we offered for incentives or concessions in the status-of-forces agreement, al-Maliki refused to sign the status-of-forces agreement. Without that status-of-forces agreement, if we would have been able to leave troops in Iraq, they were then subject to Iraqi laws, perhaps Sharia law. <\/line><\/p>\n

The other part of that is that after the Iraqi government became an officially constituted government, our mandates underneath the UN resolutions expired. So we couldn\u2019t arbitrarily just leave troops there without the approval of the al-Maliki government. Now, rightly or wrongly, the current administration decided, you know, we\u2019re not gonna give any more concessions on the status-of-forces agreement. <\/p>\n

If you had an opportunity to read a status-of-forces agreement, they are pretty much cookie cutter. Every status-of-forces agreement we have with every other country we have troops in on the ground in — be it South Korea, Germany, anywhere in the world — they\u2019re all pretty much cookie cutter. <\/p>\n

I can tell you that we offered incentives to Maliki to get him to leave groups on the ground he refused to sign it to the point where the current administration said we have no more to give and we had to back out of negotiations. And it really bothers me, you know, that I have to sound like I\u2019m coming to the defense of this administration, but that was the truth on the ground there.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I don\u2019t care. The truth\u2019s the truth. That\u2019s all I care about here, but I want to run something by you. The New York Times — and I know. “It\u2019s the New York Times.” The New York Times said — and this has formed the basis of some of my thinking and belief on this. The New York Times said that al-Maliki offered the same immunity to our troops back then that they got before we went back in last June.<\/line><\/p>\n

The New York Times said the exact opposite of what you said here, that al-Maliki offered… I mean, we\u2019re in there now. They must have some immunity now, and the New York Times said we had the same opportunity then and that Obama turned Maliki down because he wanted to come home from Iraq. It was the parliament, not just Maliki.<\/p>\n

But Obama wanted to clear out. This is the New York Times saying this. The New York Times said Obama didn\u2019t want to stay there. He wanted to get out of because of political reasons, and his base and what he had promised and everything. The New York Times says that Maliki did, in fact, offer the same immunity that we\u2019ve got now.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, and I can\u2019t talk to what was being offered now because I retired in 2010, but I do know that on the ground there at that time… Now, I wasn\u2019t in the room directly for negotiations with the ambassador. But a very dear, good friend of mine was, and the fact was that basically no matter what we offered for concessions, al-Maliki refused. Now, that\u2019s all I can address on this thing is what we are offering. Now, could the Obama administration have offered more concessions and more incentives? I don\u2019t know. That\u2019s a political decision.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, let me read to you what the New York Times says.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: This is back in June 23rd of this year, 2014. Quote: “Diplomatic note promises immunity from Iraqi law for US advisory troops.” That\u2019s current. The article says the Regime, “The Obama administration said on Monday that it has accepted from the Iraqi government the same sort of immunity agreement for newly dispatched special operation troops that it refused to accept in 2011 when it opted to withdraw all American troops from Iraq rather than keep a residual force behind.” This is Obama\u2019s house organ which is saying that he was offered by al-Maliki the same immunity we\u2019ve got now back before he pulled out. <\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, that\u2019s at great conflict with what you\u2019re telling us.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, and I can\u2019t address what was actually offered in 2011 because I retired at the end of 2010, but I can tell you up to that point, everything that we had offered to them and tried to do to them to encourage them to let us leave forces on the ground, al-Maliki flat refused. Again, could this administration have done more? I don\u2019t know. That\u2019s a political issue as far as —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, that\u2019s an important question. How bad did Obama want to try, because apparently after you left in 2011 al-Maliki went for it. Now, here\u2019s the money quote from this piece: “The Obama administration said on Monday that it has accepted from the Iraqi government the same sort of immunity agreement for newly dispatched Special Operations troops that it refused to accept in 2011, when it opted to withdraw all American troops from Iraq rather than keep a residual force behind. … In effect, the diplomatic note Mr. Obama has now accepted is the equivalent of what Mr. Maliki offered in 2011 and was rejected by the Obama administration…”<\/p>\n

CALLER: Again, I can\u2019t address what happened in 2011. I can address what was going on up until I retired. As I say, the political decision on this thing, a mil-to-mil negotiation on a status-of-forces agreement is a two-track road. It\u2019s the military saying, “Here\u2019s what we want to have on the ground. Here\u2019s what we want to cap for our troop levels, and here\u2019s what we want to have for equipment and our movements, and here\u2019s how we\u2019re gonna move our troops around when we exercise,” and things like that. The political side of it is the monetary, “Okay, here\u2019s much we\u2019re gonna spend, how much we\u2019re gonna put in the bases, and our legal protections if a US military guy does something wrong.”<\/p>\n

<\/a>RUSH: That\u2019s the biggie. The legal protections are the biggie. You don\u2019t want our troops subject to Sharia law or the International Criminal Court or charged with committing war crimes in the normal conduct of your duties. <\/p>\n

CALLER: Absolutely. You know, again, as much as it pains me to say, I kind of support us getting out of there from a political standpoint. It really wouldn\u2019t have been a good thing to leave any level of troop, combat force in Iraq<\/a> running around doing combat operations without any protection from Sharia law or Iraqi law.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, we\u2019re going back and forth because you\u2019re saying 2010. The New York Times is making it clear that one year later it was offered and it was turned down. Which leads to, you know, you talk about the politics of it. There\u2019s not very much doubt that Obama didn\u2019t want to hang around there anyway. He had made this promise that was directly correlated to his election and donations from political supporters to get the hell out of there because for five years the people of this country have been told what a worthless operation it was, how senseless it was, how insane it was. Bush was an irresponsible cowboy, should have never been. Obama said I\u2019m smarter, I\u2019m better, I\u2019m gonna get us all out. And he did. <\/p>\n

I remember the thinking at the time was that Obama really didn\u2019t want it or he could have gotten it if he did because we had just saved their bacon. Bad choice of words. We had just saved \u2019em. We had just performed a great service for them, and we could have had what we wanted, but he didn\u2019t want to stay in the first place. That\u2019s the political side. I understand your familiarity with that is not as much as on the other aspects. I appreciate the call. This is all very useful and interesting. But we have it today, and it was offered three years ago. So if we\u2019ve got it, if we have the deal that we wanted and demanded, the idea that we couldn\u2019t have had it earlier kind of stretches credulity.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: You know, we just got a status of forces agreement with Afghanistan with no problem, and look, the reality of the situation is, after five years, this stuff matters. After five years, Obama and the Democrat Party every day, 24\/7, ripping the entire Iraq war to pieces and telling everybody in this country how unjust, unnecessary, and all of that that it was. The daily body counts of American casualties and all the things our troops were supposedly doing, the atrocities they were committing. They drove the Democrat base literally insane with hatred over Iraq. <\/p>\n

There\u2019s no way Obama is gonna keep 10,000 or 20,000 troops there when he pulls out. There is no way. His deranged base would not tolerate it. He had to get clean out of there, and then he had to brag about getting clean out of there. And the reason, the excuse he gave for turning down al-Maliki\u2019s deal on the status of forces agreement, Obama\u2019s excuse was that he didn\u2019t want to bypass Iraq\u2019s parliament. <\/p>\n

The New York Times tells us that Maliki offered it personally as the leader of the country, offered the immunity from prosecution under Sharia law or any other law in Iraq, our troops would be immune. But Obama said, “You know, I don\u2019t want to bypass the Iraqi Congress or their parliament. I don\u2019t want to violate their constitution.” He didn\u2019t want the deal to be based on an al-Maliki executive order. Isn\u2019t that rich? He couldn\u2019t bypass the Iraqi parliament with an al-Maliki executive order because he didn\u2019t want to disrespect the Iraqi parliament. Isn\u2019t irony ironic? (laughing) Because he can\u2019t wait to ignore or disrespect the United States Congress. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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