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RUSH: The Pope is backin\u2019 away from what he said, and Trump is backin\u2019 away from what he said. Trump\u2019s backin\u2019 away from a couple of things that he said! Trump\u2019s going moderate on the Pope, and now Trump is backing away from his allegation last Saturday that George W. Bush “lied” about Iraq. What\u2019s that going to do to the Democrat outreach plan? … There is all kinds of confusing stuff going on out there, folks. And you are at the right place to have it all untangled.<\/p>\n

There are intricately woven webs of deceit no matter where you look out there.<\/p>\n

Grab audio sound bite number eight. I can\u2019t wait on this. I can\u2019t wait for this to come in the order in which it was given to me. I do not… This is the second time now that I have heard this, and I\u2019m not… (sigh) It\u2019s last night\u2019s CNN Republican town hall, the second night. The first night was Ben Carson and Rubio and Cruz. Last night it was Jeb, Donald Trump and Governor John Kasich. Anderson Cooper said, “Mr. Trump, if Obamacare is repealed and there\u2019s no mandate for everybody to have insurance, why would insurance companies insure somebody who has a pre-existing condition?”<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t believe this.<\/p>\n

TRUMP: Well, I like the mandate. Okay, so here\u2019s where I\u2019m a little bit different. I don\u2019t want people dying on the streets. I say this all the time. The Republican people, they\u2019re wonderful people. They don\u2019t want people dying on the streets. We\u2019re going to take care of them through maybe concepts of Medicare. We have hospitals that aren\u2019t doing well. We have doctors that aren\u2019t doing well. You cannot let people die on the street, okay? Taking care of people that are really, really sick and are going to die. That\u2019s not single payer, by the way. That\u2019s called “heart.”<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: Uhhhh, I\u2019m just not feeling this, folks. In the first place, people are not dying on the street. Where does that come from? That\u2019s the second time that I\u2019ve heard Mr. Trump say this. Where does this come from? Who is out there saying, “We can\u2019t let people keep dying on the street”? There aren\u2019t any Republicans saying that. If anybody\u2019s saying that, it\u2019s got to be a bunch of Democrats. But I don\u2019t know if any Democrats are saying it. It isn\u2019t happening! So where\u2019s this coming from? And “I like the mandate”?<\/p>\n

Now, understandably there was the question asked here, but this is the second time that Trump has said he doesn\u2019t want people dying in the street. I think it\u2019s the second time he\u2019s come out and given a mandate. Maybe not. Maybe this is the first. But here\u2019s the question. This is to Trump. “Mr. Trump, if Obamacare is repealed and there\u2019s no mandate for everybody to have insurance, why would insurance companies insure somebody who has a pre-existing condition?” That question is exactly entails everything wrong with Obamacare from premise to implementation.<\/p>\n

The idea that the only way…? People who are…? (sigh) It\u2019s not insurance when you cover people with pre-existing conditions. We\u2019ve got to call that something else. That\u2019s not insurance! If you don\u2019t have homeowners insurance, and all of a sudden your house catches fire you can\u2019t call the insurance company and say, “Hey, I need some insurance here.” “Too late, pal. You didn\u2019t insure it for fire beforehand.” So we\u2019re not talking insurance here. We\u2019re talking about some other thing. Now, I know that this is a sensitive issue to a lot of people.<\/p>\n

But it isn\u2019t insurance. Words matter to me, and the premise of this question, “If Obamacare is repealed…?” In other words, the only way we\u2019ve got people with pre-existing conditions covered is to have Obamacare? Sorry, this whole premise here blows up. “If Obamacare is repealed and there\u2019s no mandate for everybody to have insurance…?” Everybody doesn\u2019t have insurance now! There\u2019s still 29 million uninsured despite the mandate. We have laws against murder, but they still happen. We have laws against robbing banks, but people still rob banks.<\/p>\n

So we have now a mandate that everybody have health insurance, but not everybody does.<\/p>\n

Some people say, “I don\u2019t want to pay what it costs. I\u2019m 24. I\u2019m not going to die. I\u2019m going to roll the dice. I\u2019d rather have a flat screen and go out and enjoy my life rather than have to comply with your silly, stupid law. I\u2019ll deal with it later. What\u2019s the fine?” The purpose of Obamacare was to cover everybody — well, the uninsured. (snorts) We could have covered the uninsured for one-25th of what it\u2019s costing to do Obamacare and we would not have had the government take over the health care industry to do it.<\/p>\n

Before the mandate? The mandate? I don\u2019t care what the Supreme Court said is unconstitutional. The mandate? The government forcing everybody — and then here comes Anderson Cooper. This is classic. The libs all think there\u2019s magic in intentions. “But if Obamacare is repealed and there\u2019s no mandate for everybody to have insurance, why would insurance companies insure somebody who has a pre-existing condition?” The insurance companies are in… (sigh) This whole thing… This shows how flawed this is.<\/p>\n

The only reason the insurance companies are bothering to pay for people with so-called pre-existing conditions is because of that mandate. The reason the insurance companies went along with Obamacare is because of that mandate. The mandate making it a matter of law that you have to have health insurance? The insurance companies would have been foolish to fight that. Here\u2019s the federal government mandating they don\u2019t have to advertise anymore. Mandating that everybody have their product. Mandating you have to go buy their product.<\/p>\n

What industry wouldn\u2019t sign on with that kind of crony corporatism? It\u2019s exactly what\u2019s wrong! It\u2019s just a microcosm of everything that\u2019s wrong in the way we\u2019re going about dealing with health care. We\u2019re going farther and farther and farther away from market forces having anything to do with the way things are priced and what things cost. “I like the mandate, but I\u2019m a little different; I don\u2019t want people dying in the streets.” I don\u2019t get the connection between the two either. People are not dying in the streets because of lack of health care.<\/p>\n

They might be dying in the streets because of liberalism, which has brought about poverty and any other bunch of sorts of misery. Untold illegal immigration, any number of things could be causing it. But I don\u2019t think it\u2019s even the case that people are dying in the street from anything. Where did this get started? I haven\u2019t seen any videotape on it. It\u2019s not happening on TV; so it must not be happening. I haven\u2019t seen a news report on some schmo dying in the street and here\u2019s the news at 10, videotape at 10. I haven\u2019t seen that. So where did this get started?<\/line><\/p>\n

I know what it is: “Well nobody wants people dying in the street.” Who is going to get up and oppose that, right? “You mean you\u2019re for people dying in the streets?” Well, no. It isn\u2019t happening. And the mandate isn\u2019t going to matter a hill of beans whether people die in the street or not, because we have the mandate and we still have 29 million uninsured — and Obamacare doesn\u2019t cover illegal aliens. (snorts) Theoretically it doesn\u2019t. That\u2019s another thing. Supposedly Obamacare doesn\u2019t cover illegal aliens. But (chuckle) I bet it does. They show up at the ER.<\/p>\n

So who is dying in the streets?<\/p>\n

I\u2019m going to circle back to this, folks. I had this at audio sound bite number eight; I told a broadcast engineer, “You keep that near the top of the Stack because I don\u2019t know if I\u2019m going to be able to put this off.”<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, during the break at the bottom of the hour I did some research here on people dying in the street. As I said, Mr. Trump is out there saying that we have to support and he likes the Obamacare mandate. Folks, you can\u2019t… I\u2019m just going to tell you something. You can\u2019t talk about repealing Obamacare and like the mandate! The mandate is everything in Obamacare. That\u2019s what the Supreme Court case… That\u2019s what John Roberts turned himself into a pretzel in order to find that it was constitutional, when before Obamacare it wasn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

The federal government cannot mandate that you buy anything.<\/p>\n

Until now.<\/p>\n

Without the mandate, there is no Obamacare. Obamacare can\u2019t survive without the mandate. Without the federal government requiring by law that you have to buy this product or else you\u2019re going to be fined, it can\u2019t exist. So I don\u2019t know how you say you\u2019re going to repeal this and start over, and at the same time keep the mandate. But then “dying in the streets.” I haven\u2019t seen any news on that. I haven\u2019t seen stories. So I went and looked. I just wanted to make sure, and I found… What\u2019s this? ThinkProgress<\/a>. It\u2019s a liberal website.<\/p>\n

And the headline: “Cold Weather Has Already Claimed the Lives of the Homeless.” Two thousand people died on the streets in 2014 alone. Now, this story has nothing to do with health care. This story says, “An estimated 2,000 homeless people died on the streets…” Estimated. “Estimated” means they don\u2019t know, just like they estimated the number of homeless at 3 million. They finally did a homeless census. Some of you may not remember this; some of you may be old enough.<\/p>\n

But starting in the mid-80s all the way forward, there was this guy, Mitch Snyder, who was a homeless activist in Washington, a guy that slept on sewer grates at night to show his compassion for the homeless. Sewer grate in the wintertime just to try to relate. And the homeless didn\u2019t like it. “What do you mean, you\u2019re kicking me off the sewer grate? It\u2019s the only way I can stay warm!” And Mitch Snyder said, “I need to show that I care. I need to show that I\u2019m advocating for you. You go find someplace else to sleep tonight. I am taking your sewer grate tonight.”<\/line><\/p>\n

I mean, that\u2019s what passed for compassion.<\/p>\n

So anyways, this is about the same time that we\u2019re letting the homeless live in shopping carts they steal from Publix and we\u2019re calling that compassion. Mitch Snyder is running around saying, “Three million people in America are homeless! Three million!” It caught on and the media started using it. And I, in the early days of this program, asked, “Could someone back up that number for me? How do we know there are 3 million homeless? Who says? How do we get there?” Lo and behold, a homeless census was taken.<\/p>\n

They actually hired census people to run around and count people on the streets wherever they were, which was usually bad neighborhoods. They found them at night. I mean, that\u2019s when you\u2019re going to find people really without a home is at nighttime. And the number was less than 500,000. Not that that\u2019s acceptable. But it wasn\u2019t anywhere near 3 million. But here we are again with ThinkProgress: “An estimated 2,000 homeless people died on the streets [in 2014], according to those who memorialized them.”<\/p>\n

So we are going to take it on the authority of “those who memorialized them” that 2,000 people died on the streets. But I looked here. None of them was because of health care. Homelessness. And where is homelessness rampant? It\u2019s usually where Democrats run the city. San Francisco may be the worst homeless situation in America, outside of New York. Then you go to Detroit, any number of these cities. Why are the homeless hanging around in bone-cold cities in the middle of winter? Why don\u2019t they all end up in San Diego?<\/p>\n

Or in Miami?<\/p>\n

Or in Hawaii?<\/p>\n

I know what you\u2019re saying: “How are they going to get there?” How did they get where they are now? This country has done more, we\u2019ve given more, we have offered more, we have spent more on our downtrodden than any country in the history of humanity. This idea that people are “dying in the streets” as a reason why the government has to get bigger or the government has to stay in control of health care? I looked it up: 2,000 people, all of them homeless.<\/p>\n

Okay. It\u2019s a brief timeout here and we\u2019ll come back, check and see who is up on the phones and if there\u2019s anything there we\u2019ll go there. Hang in and be tough, folks.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s a good point. In New York, New York City spends more than a billion — that\u2019s “billion” with a B. New York City spends more than a billion dollars a year taking care of the homeless. If anybody is dying on the streets in New York, it\u2019s not because nobody cares. It\u2019s not because we\u2019re not spending enough money. It\u2019s not because of Obamacare or lack of it. It\u2019s because… Well, I don\u2019t want to oversimplify it, but I\u2019m telling you: Those are the kinds of things happen when liberals are in charge of things.<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t even want to waste time explaining it again.<\/line><\/p>\n

If you don\u2019t believe me, look at where these problems exist in the greatest numbers and you\u2019ll find they\u2019re run by liberal Democrats. It\u2019s no more complicated than that. But the point is: People are not “dying in the streets” because people in this country don\u2019t care. People are not “dying in the streets” because they don\u2019t have attention, they\u2019re not getting attention, or we\u2019re not spending money on them. No truth to that whatsoever. Nowhere in any of this is the issue of personal responsibility ever mentioned.<\/p>\n

Because to do that? Why, that\u2019s coldhearted! Oh, yeah. You can\u2019t talk about personal responsibility. People are mentally ill, sick, whatever. Well, if that\u2019s the case, what are they doing on the streets? See, the liberals are the ones that close down these institutions, folks. “It\u2019s not right! We don\u2019t have the right too keep the mentally ill incarcerated. They may have a right to be on the street doing this.” Okay, if they have a right to be out there, then fine. Stop complaining about what happens to them out there. If they have a right to be there… You cannot winning with these people.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s go to the phones, Blaine in Shepherdsville, Kentucky. It\u2019s great to have you on Open Line Friday. Hi.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Mega dittos, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you, sir, very much.<\/p>\n

CALLER: What I wanted to say was I hope that Mr. Trump did not mean “mandate.” He did mention that there are doctors and hospitals that are underperforming. Maybe funnel the uninsured people and the people with pre-existing conditions to those locations.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, what do you think he meant if he didn\u2019t mean “mandate”?<\/line><\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, maybe it was a faux pas. I\u2019m not sure. Because they use the word “mandate,” maybe that\u2019s why he used the word “mandate.”<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, and in the question he might have been responding because the question had the word. Let\u2019s listen to sound bite number 8.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hopefully, he did not mean “mandate.”<\/p>\n

RUSH: I do too. Let\u2019s listen to the whole thing, again. Grab number eight. This is the question from Anderson Cooper: “Mr. Trump, if Obamacare is repealed and there\u2019s no mandate…” And, folks, I\u2019m telling you: Without a mandate, you can\u2019t have Obamacare. It can\u2019t survive. That\u2019s what the whole first Supreme Court case was about. That\u2019s why it\u2019s asinine what happened in that case. It\u2019s just… just… The Supreme Court rewrote the law! John Roberts rewrote the law to make it constitutional. The whole argument whether it\u2019s a tax or a mandate?<\/p>\n

The government can assess taxes, the fine aspect of Obamacare. It\u2019s such a mess. Anyway, I distract myself. The question again: “Mr. Trump, if Obamacare is repealed and there\u2019s no mandate for everybody to have insurance…?” So mandate is defined in the question. “If there\u2019s no mandate for everybody to have insurance, why would insurance companies insure somebody who has a pre-existing condition?” And here\u2019s just the first part of Mr. Trump\u2019s answer. We\u2019re not going to listen to the whole thing.<\/p>\n

TRUMP: Well, I like the mandate. Okay, so here\u2019s where I\u2019m a little bit different. I don\u2019t want people dying on the streets. I say this all the time. The Republican people, they\u2019re wonderful people. They don\u2019t want people dying on the streets. We\u2019re going to take care of them through maybe con…<\/p>\n

RUSH: Stop the tape. I want to tell you, Blaine, how I interpret that; you tell me if I\u2019m wrong. “I like the mandate,” Trump says, “Okay, so here\u2019s where I\u2019m a little bit different. I don\u2019t want people dying in the streets. I say it all the time. The Republican people, they\u2019re wonderful people. They don\u2019t want people dying on the streets.” You know what it sounds like to me? It sounds like Trump believes that Republicans… (sighs) It sounds like Trump believes the image that Republicans are coldhearted, mean-spirited, extremist, people are dying on the streets, they don\u2019t care.<\/p>\n

So he says: (summarized): “Well, I like the mandate because I don\u2019t want people dying in the streets — and let me tell you something, my Republican voters, they also don\u2019t! It may surprise you.” He didn\u2019t say that, but it\u2019s implied. “It may surprise you, but my Republican voters, they don\u2019t want them dying in the streets, either!” So it sounds to me like Mr. Trump is a Republican here and is trying to, uh, beat back this image that Republicans don\u2019t care about people. And so saying, “I don\u2019t want them to die in the street,” may be his technique or way of doing that. What do you think?<\/p>\n

CALLER: (unintelligible) that Republicans are unfeeling, uncaring, heartless people by saying that. Maybe he would create something like a catastrophic health care, which could insure those with pre-existing conditions and also be voluntary for those people that don\u2019t have insurance. Not make it a mandate but they could line up for it if they wanted it.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, but, see, here\u2019s the problem. Here\u2019s the problem: “He didn\u2019t say that.” We can sit here and say, “What he meant was,” and, “Maybe what he\u2019s going to do is,” and, “What we hope he\u2019s going to do….” The problem with this now, this pre-existing condition stuff… In fact, let me review a little history. Can I remind you what happened with this? When they set up the pool… The way they handled this in the early days of Obamacare, there was a pool that you had to sign into that would allocate coverage for you if you had a pre-existing condition.<\/p>\n

And everybody was shocked at how few people actually signed up. Remember that, folks? Everybody was stunned because it\u2019s like every other myth. It had been talked about for so long that everybody in this country everybody thought everybody had a pre-existing condition! And the insurance companies were so mean and so rotten and so unfair that they weren\u2019t covering anybody. And therefore, people with pre-existing conditions — a hell of a lot of them — were not being treated, couldn\u2019t get insurance… and may have been dying in the streets, who knows?<\/p>\n

So they set the pool up, because they had to go about this… Because this isn\u2019t insurance. They had to set up an entirely new way of dealing with this, which is basically they set up a new welfare program, if you want to get down to brass tacks. It\u2019s a welfare program. It\u2019s not insurance. By definition, it\u2019s not insurance. I don\u2019t mean to offend anyone, but it isn\u2019t insurance. Anyway, the number of people supposedly so-called with pre-existing conditions that signed up, shocked everybody how few it was.<\/p>\n

It was nowhere near what everybody had been led to believe, because of the never-ending press coverage. So it turned out to be not that big a problem, and it certainly wasn\u2019t a big enough problem to totally overturn and up-end the American health care system, just like insuring the uninsured wasn\u2019t. But that didn\u2019t matter. Reality didn\u2019t matter; perceptions did. Perception was there were gazillions and gazillions that didn\u2019t have health insurance and gazillions and gazillions with pre-existing conditions that the insurance companies were being mean to.<\/line><\/p>\n

And it was largely bogus.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Associated Press, October 3rd, 2009: “Health Overhaul Centerpiece Endures Growing Pains — [T]he Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan started this summer isn\u2019t living up to expectations.” They had the money. They didn\u2019t have nearly the applicants they thought they were going to have. It turns out to be not an emergency, a crisis.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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