TODD: All of a sudden, the Wuhan virus appears to have come from a lab. All of a sudden! What\u2019s so remarkable about this is there was a brilliant documentary the Epoch Times did months — in fact, I think it was weeks — into the Wuhan flu and the lockdown, et cetera. Yeah, I\u2019m gonna call it the Wuhan flu again, just this week. They did a documentary detailing all of the evidence for this thing having leaked from that lab. The Chinese military, for instance, taking over the lab, et cetera. The biological reasons that this appears to be human constructed. They went through that.<\/p>\n
Then all of a sudden now, this is no longer a conspiracy theory. They were all over Tom Cotton. If Tom Cotton says it, it can\u2019t be true. New York Times writers basically were saying, “Oh, yeah.” The reason they didn\u2019t believe it is Republicans said it. The New York Times\u2019 Maggie Haberman says (laughing), it\u2019s Trump\u2019s fault that she, Maggie Haberman, believed the Chinese Communist Party about the origins of the Wuhan flu.<\/p>\n
CNN\u2019s John Berman asked her, “We\u2019ve come a long way from people dismissing this as a conspiracy theory to a lot of people taking this seriously.”<\/p>\n
HABERMAN: I do think it\u2019s important to remember that part of the issue when this was first being reported on and discussed that a few months after the pandemic had begun, was that then President Trump and Mike Pompeo — the secretary of state — both suggested they had seen evidence that this was formed in a lab and they also suggested it was not released on purpose. But they refused to release the evidence showing what it was.<\/p>\n
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And so because of that, that made this instantly political, I think. (sputters) It was, you know, example 1,000 when the Trump administration learned that when you have burned your own credibility over and over again, people are not immediately going to believe you, especially in an election year. However, that does not mean it\u2019s not worth discussing. There has been a sort of persistent — albeit relatively quiet — focus on whether that was the origin of the virus.<\/p>\n
And it is compounded by the fact that there have not been clear answers from Chinese officials about it and that investigators trying to find out the origin have been stymied. So I do think we\u2019re in a different period of this, John. But I also think it\u2019s important to remember because I think it\u2019s getting reframed i-i-n a way that\u2019s just not true to what happened. I don\u2019t mean here!<\/p>\n
BERMAN: Right.<\/p>\n
HABERMAN: I mean in this broader debate by Trump supporters about what happened when this was originally raised.<\/p>\n
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TODD: So the Trump people not violating national security and sharing intelligence with the world means that they didn\u2019t believe them, when you could have believed the Epoch Times but the New York Times called The Epoch Times\u2019 documentary misinformation and disinformation. So there\u2019s nothing new here for people who\u2019ve actually tracked the scientific reality of this virus, just like there\u2019s nothing new… All of us have known who\u2019ve been on Team Reality in regards to the covid flu that Tony Fauci backed gain-of-function research.<\/p>\n
You know (Snort!), Fox has the story: “Fauci said knowledge from controversial pathogen experiments ‘outweigh the risk\u2019 of possible pandemic.” What he means is the gain-of-function research he wants. Incidentally, Fauci is apparently writing a book about his life philosophy. (impression) “Well, a lot of people are fans of a short-term con, but my philosophy throughout life has been the longer the grift, the greater the gain.<\/p>\n
“So in my book I really talk about how to go through the long grift; because, remember, a good con artist, they leave town without getting caught. But a great con artist, they stick around and get to hang out with Hillary Clinton and the like.” So it\u2019s gonna be a great book. The media was all over Tom Cotton when he suggested that the virus came from the Wuhan lab. The Senate Intelligence Committee Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton said on Fox & Friends yesterday he doesn\u2019t feel vindicated, just relieved that we\u2019re finally getting closer to the truth.<\/p>\n
COTTON: The only sense I have is a sense of relief that we\u2019re finally going to try to find the true origins of this virus and I think all the evidence points towards those labs in Wuhan. And if we find out that\u2019s the origin of this virus then China really needs to pay. They haven\u2019t paid enough yet for unleashing this plague on the world. I don\u2019t think that China\u2019s gonna reveal what happened in those labs any time soon. I think they\u2019re going to continue to try to cover it up. If that\u2019s the case, I think it\u2019s reasonable for the American people to draw the conclusion that China is covering up an accident in those labs.<\/p>\n