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RUSH: Tom Coburn was on Meet the Press. David Gregory referenced Ron Brownstein\u2019s column. Chuck-U Schumer was on the program. Gregory says, ‘Ron Brownstein writes in the National Journal this week a column that\u2019s entitled Apocalypse Always, and here\u2019s a point that he makes in conclusion on the piece: ‘When political arguments are routinely framed as threats to America\u2019s fundamental character, the odds rise that the most disturbed among us will be tempted to resist governing agenda by any means necessary.\u2019 Is that the real problem here, Senator Coburn? Is a description of political discourse and political disagreements as being ‘apocalyptic\u2019 having such huge consequence for the direction of the country?\u2019<\/p>\n

COBURN: I think that\u2019s a false premise totally. I\u2019ve pretty well been, uh, disgusted with all the media, right and left, after this episode. Because what it does is it raises and says that there is a connection, and — and the president rightly said, there was no connection to this.<\/p>\n

GREGORY: That\u2019s not what they —<\/p>\n

COBURN: — between political discourse to this event.<\/p>\n

GREGORY: That\u2019s — that\u2019s not the premise here!<\/p>\n

COBURN: What he said was —<\/p>\n

GREGORY: (shouting) But, Senator Coburn, you know as well as I do that there are people — and it is true that it\u2019s very often on the right — who describe President Obama as somehow an outsider who is trying to usher in a system that will do two things: That will injure America and deny them of their liberty. <\/p>\n

COBURN: Again —<\/p>\n

GREGORY: Do you condemn that belief and try to reject it? That in and of itself is a strain of thought, is it not?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, Coburn tries to respond to that.<\/p>\n

COBURN: There\u2019s no question. Th-there\u2019s all sorts of strains of thought. The problem I have with the premise, David, is that we\u2019re disconnecting what the real problems are in our country. And we\u2019re spending all this time talking about ‘political discourse\u2019 rather than talking about the real risk to our country which is we need to quit paying attention to what all the media says. We need to start watching, as Chuck Schumer has said, what we say.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, Gregory is intent on getting Coburn to say that Obama is not trying to injure the country.<\/p>\n

GREGORY: (shouting) But, Senator Coburn, it\u2019s fine to take on the media and a lot of people would support you in that. That\u2019s fine. But I asked you a very specific question: Do you reject those who believe that the president wants to injure the country and that will — that will deny Americans liberty, and do you think v-violent metaphor of any kind is simply over the line in political discourse?<\/p>\n

COBURN: Of course I reject that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You notice how this is a one-way street? The violent rhetoric for seven or eight years during the Bush administration never once seemed to bother people like David Gregory. Never once. Now, you listen to some of the allegations those people were making about Bush? The Iraq war? Go back to the warrantless wiretaps and searches, talking about the disappearance of liberty, and understand that the Obama regime has enhanced and increased the federal government\u2019s power in those searches. Who is it that plays up conflict more than the news media? You know, Gregory kind of just shoves that aside, ‘Anybody can attack the media. That\u2019s fine,\u2019 and dandy, but the media manufactures conflict. They create it where none really exists. <\/p>\n

And how come they\u2019re never blamed? I mean, who used more violent rhetoric than Cindy Sheehan when she was out opposing the American effort in Iraq or anywhere else military? Afghanistan, you name it. So, you know, interesting here that the effort here must persist: ‘Do you think Obama was trying to injure the country? Do you think Obama is trying to injure the country? Is Obama trying to injure the country?\u2019 All right, whether he is or isn\u2019t, he is injuring the country. Health care alone is harming the country. Health care, Obamacare alone is going to result in the loss of freedom. <\/p>\n

By definition, it has to! It\u2019s putting the government in charge of one-sixth of the US economy. Anyway, what this also is… As news continues to surface about Jared Loughner being a wacko leftist if anything, the media can\u2019t give up the ghost here. It has to be angry right-wingers causing all of the upset in our culture and in our society. So they just don\u2019t want to give this up at all, and you can see the media in this case has got their agenda, and they\u2019re gonna go full force with it — set their narrative, set their template — regardless of the facts. <\/p>\n

It was perfectly okay. Obama can talk about the Republicans driving the economy into a ditch in the car and take the car keys away. How come it\u2019s okay for Obama to accuse the Bush administration of injuring the country, but not him? See, for seven, eight years, none of the anti-government, anti-Bush talk ever concerned the media? The reason it concerns them now is \u2019cause their guy is vulnerable. That\u2019s why it concerns them. This a huge shellacking victory that took place in November, and everybody on the left is combining efforts to make sure to downplay and maybe render impotent that huge victory.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: So David Gregory is now upgrading on civil talk to equal violent rhetoric. That was what his incessant interrogation of Senator Coburn was all about. (imitating Gregory) ‘You go on, Senator, I\u2019m asking you, I\u2019m asking, do you believe in all this talk that Obama is trying to injure the country and so forth.\u2019 I guess the 25 states that have filed legal briefs in federal courts accusing this regime of denying individuals\u2019 basic liberty on the Constitution, under the commerce clause, is that violent rhetoric, too, Mr. Gregory? Twenty-five states have filed legal briefs saying American freedom is on the line, unconstitutional behavior by the regime via the commerce clause, demanding that Americans buy health care or face the consequences. Are you telling me that\u2019s not an impingement of freedom? <\/p>\n

But now, according to David Gregory and the left, this is violent rhetoric. So one day they call it uncivil rhetoric. Now they call it violent rhetoric. So violent rhetoric is not urging violence. Violent rhetoric is noticing the government\u2019s efforts to expand on the individuals\u2019 expense. So this is how they\u2019re attempting to quell any opposition. That\u2019s what all of this is about. They\u2019re trying to get Coburn intimidated into shutting up. They\u2019re trying to get every Republican they can intimidated into shutting up, being critical of what Obama is doing, all on the basis of this shooting, which we have established has nothing to do with language or right-wingers or anything. It has to do with a demented mind who was a Bush-Hater and truther. <\/p>\n

Now, there\u2019s another poll out there. CNN has a poll out today talking about the Arizona shootings. It\u2019s gotten very little press. It was taken January 14 through 16 and here\u2019s one reason why it\u2019s gotten very little press. Which of the following statements comes closer to your overall view? And they are placed here in random order. Which of the following statements comes closer to your overall view: Government and society can take action that will be effective in preventing shootings like the one in Arizona from happening again; 33% agree. Shootings like the one in Arizona will happen again regardless of what action is taken by government and society; 66%. No opinion; 1%. So twice as many people believe that it\u2019s gonna happen again regardless of what action is taken by government and society. CNN is not making a big deal out of this poll, and they\u2019ve linked to a PDF file which most people won\u2019t bother to plow through. With Coburn, they are. They are defining violent rhetoric down to shut up the opposition. <\/p>\n

The news media, the rest of the Democrats want to do what Hugo Chavez has done in Venezuela. They want to make it a crime to complain about government policy. Actually, they\u2019ve been trying to criminalize political differences for as long as I\u2019ve been doing this program. But now they\u2019re brazen about it. They want to make it a crime to complain about government policy or to support an opposition candidate. They want to criminalize political discourse, political free speech. Now, they\u2019re probably gonna call that wild rhetoric that\u2019s going to promote violence and so forth. This is how they do it. Remember that CNN poll back in August? We spent a lot of time on this. Only 42% of Americans believe Obama is a citizen, only 23% of Republicans do. And then there was the other poll, 30% of Americans think he\u2019s a Muslim. And the media had a cow over that poll. Only 42% of Americans believe Obama\u2019s a citizen, and they had a fit, they were incredulous, they made fun of Republicans. And yet, 35% of Democrats believe that George Bush knew about 9\/11 and it\u2019s a ho-hum reaction. No big deal. Bush made people crazy. It\u2019s understandable that Democrats would think that. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Here\u2019s James in Atlanta, as we go back to the phones on the EIB Network. Great to have you here, sir. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hi, Rush. How are you?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Pretty good.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Longtime listener. I\u2019d like to do a shout out to Wayne Utley in Fredericksburg, Texas, who turned me on to you 17 years ago.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, thank you.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Couple of quick questions for you. One, why would any conservative appear with anybody like a David Gregory? Why do we do this?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well — (laughing) — they think that the mainstream media is where the action is. I don\u2019t know. If they say ‘no\u2019 they\u2019re gonna get ripped to shreds, or maybe they see it as a golden media opportunity to get a message out. Who knows?<\/p>\n

CALLER: I feel so educated by you because I know when you say polls really what I hear now is propaganda.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah, exactly.<\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s what that word means. And I feel so rabid. I don\u2019t know where the people like me are. Why don\u2019t I see these people in the media who don\u2019t care what anybody thinks about what they say? Why don\u2019t we just get this big wrecking ball out and make it happen?<\/p>\n

RUSH: When you say why don\u2019t you see people like me in the media, who do you expect to see in the media?<\/p>\n

CALLER: I want passion on our viewpoints. I am tired of accommodating.<\/p>\n

RUSH: But from who, guests or hosts?<\/p>\n

CALLER: From the guests. For me the guests are gonna be the politicians, the people who are supposed to represent us, supposedly fighting for our causes. We\u2019re so caught up in these polls and the game and the business of the media. In my lifetime, is it possible we can expect anything to go back to what we might hope that America could be? You know, when you get away from the game of all this, how does someone like me who\u2019s passionate about what he believes, who has to work hard for a living, expect ever for our country to return to a place that we can be proud of?<\/p>\n

RUSH: You don\u2019t expect the current crop of Republicans to follow through on their campaign promises?<\/p>\n

CALLER: You know, Rush, that\u2019s not enough. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a minute. Why are you saying this, just because Coburn disappointed you on Meet the Press?<\/p>\n

CALLER: They all disappoint me. Nobody gets on there with any cojones. They\u2019re always ashamed and embarrassed, and they have to sort of take the edge off the way they feel. They have to be politically correct!<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, wait a second, now, don\u2019t forget, we have warned you several times on this program, the ruling class consists of a lot of Republicans who hate the Tea Party, who are scared to death of the Tea Party and what you believe in because it will upset their standing in the ruling class —<\/p>\n

CALLER: I agree with that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: — in Washington, DC. <\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s the establishment, and I want the passion that says even if we have to destroy that peace, let\u2019s do it. Set the goal.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Look, there are all kinds of these people that do show up. Michele Bachmann shows up.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I like Michele Bachmann.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, they\u2019ll have five Democrats on with her when she shows up, but she shows up. Mike Pence shows up. Boehner shows up. There are a lot of them that do. The invitations aren\u2019t extended to a lot of the people you wish to hear from. They are extended to establish Republicans who are going to ultimately capitulate and go along with whatever premise the media puts forth because that\u2019s who they want the acceptance and friendship of. It\u2019s no mystery.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, now, let me ask you to put the brakes on out there. It\u2019s not time to start calling me with the 20-year-old refrain, ‘Why don\u2019t the Republicans do X?\u2019 I\u2019m not gonna have much patience for it. It isn\u2019t time for this yet. Besides, I can\u2019t tell you any more than I\u2019ve already told you for the last 20, 22, 23 years, which basically is, how the hell should I know? Look, the Democrats are desperate right now. They are clamoring for the end of conservative media. They want their Cronkite-Sevareid situation back where there\u2019s only one voice in America telling everybody what to think and everybody believed the voice. And anybody who didn\u2019t believe the voice was thought to be a kook. I remember the days when just Cronkite, and then after Cronkite came along you had Huntley, Brinkley, and then ABC got started with — yeah, they had so many of them out there, can\u2019t remember who. But Cronkite was basically it on CBS. And now the Democrats, they failed to make hay with this issue. They failed to tie the Jared Loughner issue to New Media. <\/p>\n

Now, they\u2019re gonna keep trying with events like this. But Coburn going on Meet the Press and not expressing your passion and so forth, he had a different agenda. He was up there to criticize the media. You don\u2019t want your media criticized. He\u2019s criticizing all media. He says he\u2019s sick and tired of watching it. He doesn\u2019t specify. He thinks it\u2019s problematic, full of false premises and to a certain extent he\u2019s right, particularly about the standard state-controlled legacy whatever you want to call \u2019em mainstream media, they\u2019re just a series of false premises, all oriented toward an agenda. Here\u2019s Obama from the Audacity of Hope, pages 75 and 76: ‘The spin, the amplification of conflict, the indiscriminate search for scandal and miscues — the cumulative impact of all this is to erode any agreed-upon standards for judging the truth. We have no authoritative figure, no Walter Cronkite or Edward R. Murrow whom we all listen to and trust to sort out contradictory claims.\u2019<\/p>\n

So in his book The Audacity of Hope he pines away for all of the old days of Cronkite and Edward R. Murrow. Have you ever noticed, by the way, folks, that the push for the civility is in inverse proportion to how well the Democrats think they are winning the national debate? Even now Democrats control 99% of the news media and the rest of the establishment, and they still can\u2019t win an argument with that large a percentage. And if you don\u2019t want to say 99%, say 90, 85%, by the time you go nationwide, local newspaper, a lot of local radio stations and so forth, local TV stations that editorialize or have their own ‘if it bleeds it leads\u2019 newscaster, the vast majority of media in this country is left wing, and they still can\u2019t win an argument. They still can\u2019t create a mantra. Well, they can create it, but they couldn\u2019t pull this off. Even CNN, 66% of the American people say no amount of government policy or talk is gonna stop events like this, 66% say it\u2019s going to keep happening. <\/p>\n

Now, I think it\u2019s a little soon here to start thinking the Republicans are not exhibiting passion, especially in the aftermath of this event. Nobody in elected office is really expressing passion. It\u2019s still too near, too close to this episode. Give it a little time. Remember I\u2019m here, I will tell you when it\u2019s time to get upset, mad, ticked off, or what have you, and we\u2019re not there. If you start down that road you\u2019re letting the media win this. And, boy, this is certainly not the time for that. It\u2019s a challenge. For 23 years, ‘How come the Republicans&hellip;\u2019 and, by the way, I almost had to hang up on that caller. He sounded vitriolic. The day is coming where the regime is gonna be monitoring these shows and a caller like that may be singled out, needing psychiatric treatment. Well, I wouldn\u2019t put it past \u2019em. I would not put it past \u2019em. You\u2019ve got Sheriff Dupnik now, all of a sudden in addition to everything else he\u2019s a psychiatric expert. <\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Although for me personally it\u2019s very frustrating to get these phone calls, ‘Why is Coburn going on the show! Where are our people? Why are they saying that?\u2019 blah, blah, blah. It\u2019s very frustrating to me because I\u2019m sitting here behind the Golden EIB Microphone. I\u2019m not in charge of where Tom Coburn goes or what he says. I\u2019m not in charge, ‘Where are the Republicans and what are they doing?\u2019 Contrary to public opinion, I don\u2019t have a pipeline. I have no clue what they\u2019re doing. I don\u2019t know what their plan other than what I read in the paper, but I\u2019ll tell you this: What I\u2019m hearing from the callers is very positive. <\/p>\n

They are not being distracted by any of this. They are still as passionate as they were prior to and right after the election. They\u2019re not distracted; they\u2019re not intimidated. They\u2019re not intimidated at all by the media trying to blame them or their leaders for this incident out there — and if everything is gonna end up being fine, it\u2019s going to be because of the people, people like these callers. They are ready to roll! They want action. They voted for it, they expect it — and if they don\u2019t get it, this crop\u2019s gone and a new crop is gonna be sent in there. This is what these people in Washington are going to have to understand. They want action. They want the agenda as promoted and promised. <\/p>\n

As is always the case, the people are ahead of the politicians. The people don\u2019t care what David Gregory says. The people don\u2019t care from David Gregory thinks. I just checked my e-mail. The vast majority of people do not want our people going on these shows. Why go on these shows and give them an opportunity to cast us in a certain way, misrepresent or what have you? Their audiences are very small. Why mess with it? They don\u2019t care what that idiot sheriff had to say. They\u2019re not intimidated by any of this. The same can\u2019t be said, though, of elected officials. Many of them are intimidated, and Tom Coburn was eventually beaten down to a certain extent by Gregory. <\/p>\n

‘So you really…? I want to know, is Obama trying to injure the country?\u2019 <\/p>\n

‘No, of course not. Of course not.\u2019 <\/p>\n

He said that just to get rid of the question, but the voters are not buying any of the things that the media is trying to sell since this event happened — and I have to tell you something, I\u2019ve mentioned this on many occasions in the past. Any time — and this not the first time. Oklahoma City was not the first time either but it was the largest at the time. It was the largest event where a president tried to personally blame me for an event like this. There have been several smaller attempts. Wacko X here does something, ‘Oh, conservative radio does this!\u2019 And each time what gives me strength is knowing you don\u2019t buy it, you don\u2019t believe it. The biggest strength, the biggest confidence-builder I have is all of you. I know who you are. <\/p>\n

You don\u2019t buy any of this. You don\u2019t succumb (or haven\u2019t ‘surcame,\u2019 as Cornel West says). You haven\u2019t surcame to all of this BS in the media that you and I together are responsible for the acts of lunatic fringe leftists. So I never worry when they come out and start accusing me of things like this that you\u2019re gonna believe it, that this program is going to be affected by it, because you don\u2019t. You don\u2019t care what the idiot sheriff had to say, you don\u2019t care what Gregory has to say. You care that the people you elected not fall prey to all of this. So you get frustrated with all this idiot talk from Washington, including Republican politicians who want to sit together. Coburn said that, by the way. He\u2019s gonna sit next to Schumer. <\/p>\n

That\u2019s not what you want to hear. You don\u2019t want anybody sitting next to Schumer. That\u2019s not what the election was about. And you, you know damn well that if it was the other way around — the Republicans lose bigger than ever in history — and they ask the Democrats, ‘Hey, let\u2019s sit together during the State of the Union,\u2019 the Democrats say, ‘You\u2019ll be lucky if we let you in State of the Union much less sit next to us!\u2019 But you are not interested in bipartisanship, because you know what it means. <\/p>\n

You know that ‘bipartisanship\u2019 means ‘caving.\u2019 <\/p>\n

You know that ‘civility\u2019 means ‘censorship.\u2019 <\/p>\n

You\u2019re not interested in any of this, so you get frustrated — and I\u2019m glad you are. Don\u2019t cool down. You get frustrated with all this idiot talk from Washington, including from Republican politicians who say they want to sit together. We want to defeat their agenda while the wind is at our back from a fresh election. This is the best time to do it. So I understand every one of you scared to death that they\u2019re gonna drop the ball. You have history on your side. But let\u2019s just wait and see.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: This is Enid in Marietta, Georgia, we go back to the phones. Thanks for calling.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Rush, what an honor it is to finally get to speak to you after all these decades.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I am so excited. (giggles) But, Rush, I just want you to know I felt so relieved and so vindicated, I knew that if anybody was gonna call out that idiot, David Gregory in his 15 minutes of fame, it would be you. I had to suffer through it live. Why, you may ask? Well, my husband said, ‘Can\u2019t you watch anything besides Fox News?\u2019 And I said, ‘Why bother?\u2019 So I tried, and I can\u2019t handle it. I can\u2019t take Meet the Press, and all I had to see was David Gregory trying to make himself look important for me to remember why I can\u2019t stand network news.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, your instincts are right on the money out there, Enid. All those programs exist for the advancement of the Obama agenda.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes.<\/p>\n

RUSH: There\u2019s no question about it. So I guess it was a worthwhile pain. You watched it, and then you had your pain assuaged by listening to me nuke it. So everything happens for a reason, and I\u2019m happy to have been of service. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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