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RUSH: We are happy, as we always have been, to welcome back to the program President George W. Bush. Mr. Bush, welcome back, and thank you for giving us some time today, sir.<\/line><\/a>PRESIDENT BUSH: Rush, thank you. I\u2019m honored to be talking to you about this new book I just released.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: How many times a day in the last two years have you heard people tell you they miss you?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: (laughing) Well, every time they do I\u2019m flattered, and I appreciate it very much. There\u2019s a big billboard between Dallas and Waco that says that, and it makes a guy feel good. I signed books today in Dallas and quite a few people went by and said that. It\u2019s a very kind thing for people to say.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I\u2019m sure they mean it. Now, what\u2019s your take on the election? This is historic. The Republicans have not won this many seats in the House I think since the 1930s. This election goes deep, state legislatures, governorships. This was big. What\u2019s your take?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, you might remember I was president during two off-year elections. In \u201902 we picked up seats, and \u201906 we lost seats. So I\u2019m familiar with both ends of off-year elections. And in \u201906 people were disgruntled. In the book I point out that people were kind of tired of me. The Iraq war wasn\u2019t looking good in the fall of \u201906, but people were also tired of sex scandals and bridges to nowhere and the failure to reform Social Security, for example. They showed up, and said, ‘Wait a minute, we\u2019re unsatisfied.\u2019 And that\u2019s what happened again here, and, you know, it was a big election, and people ask me about it, and, look, I\u2019m not gonna try to dissect all the election, but I do appreciate the fact that democracy functions. And when people are frustrated, they show up, and in this case they had a huge influence.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What\u2019s it like? I mean you just said people were tired of you in 2006. What\u2019s it like to sit in the Oval Office, or wherever you happen to be as president and believe the people are tired of you, and do you want to do anything about that?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, in my case, you know, I wasn\u2019t gonna compromise principle, nor was I going to abandon the mission in Iraq. And so in the fall of 2006, as these elections were approaching, I was in the process of deciding to put more troops into Iraq. And, you know, sometimes if you\u2019re president and people are tired of you, you just have to soldier on. I was convinced we could succeed in Iraq, and I knew failure in Iraq would be catastrophic and success could be transformative. So on this particular issue, you know, I said I\u2019m gonna do what I think is right, and I spent quite a bit of time in the book writing about that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: We noted at the time that there were some vicious attacks against your Iraq policy, against you personally, and you never responded in kind, in a political sense, to what were political attacks. In my lifetime, I don\u2019t recall a political party ever opposing their own country at war, seeking a defeat as the Democrats were. I mean Harry Reid was out there, Mr. President, ‘This war is lost.\u2019<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yes. I chronicle that moment, and I didn\u2019t like it then. I don\u2019t like hearing it now because, as a leader in the Senate, I felt it was an irresponsible act, irresponsible statement to say to a mother or, you know, a loved one your child or loved one is heading into a losing situation. You can disagree with the policy, disagree with whether we should work to establish democracy in Iraq after we liberated it, but to condemn soldiers heading into mission to a lost cause is just, you know, is inexcusable, as far as I was concerned.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Why didn\u2019t you do more about it? Why didn\u2019t you comment more about it at the time? I mean, I asked you once, and you said that you didn\u2019t want to sully the office of the presidency by descending to base political level. But I mean this was not simply base politics. This was keeping the country safe.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, I understand that, but on the other hand I do believe in the institution of the presidency, and I didn\u2019t think it was right then, I still don\u2019t think it\u2019s right to engage in name-calling if you\u2019re the president of the United States. I was focused on the mission, as were the troops. And, because of their bravery and sacrifice, the situation turned around shortly after that statement. I\u2019ve discussed this with other people in my administration, when they call me a liar should I have called them names, and my attitude was no then, obviously, and I still feel very strongly that\u2019s the way a president ought to conduct himself.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, some of the people in your administration, Karl Rove, have said in hindsight that they think — maybe Karl is speaking for himself, certainly other people in the administration — should have done more to defend you and the administration against these attacks because these attacks against you are attacks against your voters, attacks against the American people who support the United States at war.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: That\u2019s right. Now, Karl feels that way. I read his book and recommend it, he\u2019ll be happy from me to hear. And, yeah, I mean Karl felt like we shoulda punched back harder. I can\u2019t remember if he was referring to I shoulda punched back harder or we shoulda punched back harder. I wasn\u2019t gonna punch back because, again, I think the office of the presidency is precious. It\u2019s an institution that needs to be strengthened and getting into a verbal mud fight with people, in my judgment, demeans the office. And so I chose not to do that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, demeans the office. It hasn\u2019t stopped. By this definition, the office is being demeaned today. I mean you are being blamed for the economy today. The current occupant constantly runs around saying I inherited this mess from you. Did you ever say you inherited a terrorism crisis from President Clinton or an economic crisis?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Each president has his own tactics, and I\u2019ve been around politics long enough to know how it works. I\u2019ve chosen not to engage this way during my presidency, or in my post-presidency. Look, I like not being in the news. It\u2019s a little ironic since I\u2019m talking to one of the most widely listened to people in America, or the most widely listened to person in America, but I\u2019m very comfortable being submerged, as I say, and I\u2019m emerging because I want people to read this book, frankly, and I think it will give people an interesting perspective about what it was like to be president and how you make decisions in a complex environment. And, you know, once this book is finished I\u2019m going back to as normal a life as possible, promoting freedom and marketplace and accountability in the schools and playing golf with people like you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) Any time.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Thank you. I hear your game\u2019s getting better now that you\u2019ve gotten married.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) Yeah, because I\u2019ve got less time to play and the less time I play the better I seem to get.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: (laughing)<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, look, one thing about the predecessor and so forth. You were president of the United States. You were the leader of the country. You were elected twice by the people of this country on substantive issues. Now we find ourselves in a really challenging economic time, and it is being said that you ‘drove the economy in the ditch.\u2019 You were behind the wheel in the car. Now, Mr. President, the people… We can\u2019t relate to being president. We can only try to understand it, and when we do — when we hear ourselves being blamed for things that we have nothing to do with — our tendency would be to respond to it, to try to correct the record. But in your book, you steer clear.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, on this issue, I don\u2019t steer clear because I remind the reader that on the issue of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, I saw a problem, and went to Congress and said, ‘Look, this is a group of… These are enterprises that have got an implicit government guarantee and they\u2019re taking risky stances, and, therefore, we ought to regulate them. If they\u2019ve got an implicit government guarantee there ought to be some sense of regulation and make sure they don\u2019t misuse that guarantee, and I make it clear in the book what happened, and that is that powerful forces in Congress resisted that reform. Whether those reforms had taken place in 2003 it\u2019s hard to predict whether or not this crisis would have occurred, but I\u2019m comfortable in telling the reader and comfortable that history will judge that we tried to do something about it. You know, and eventually the truth wins out, and this book is an attempt to set the record straight from my perspective.<\/line> <\/line> RUSH: Is that your faith speaking, ‘the truth will out\u2019?<\/line> <\/line> PRESIDENT BUSH: Do I think that? Yeah, I do. I think… Look, I remember when Ronald Reagan left office. Frankly, you\u2019re old enough to remember when Ronald Reagan left office.<\/line> <\/line> RUSH: Yeah, I am.<\/line> <\/line> PRESIDENT BUSH: And, you know, ‘dunce,\u2019 ‘warmonger,\u2019 all the names he was being called, and at the time of his burial, he was being viewed as a superb president, and rightly so.<\/line> <\/line> RUSH: If you had it to do over…? You were talking about Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. If you had it to do over, would you do the TARP bailout?<\/line> <\/line> PRESIDENT BUSH: Yeah, I would have, because — and I think the reader will —<\/line> <\/line> RUSH: What were you told about that? What did they tell you that made it…?<\/line> <\/line> PRESIDENT BUSH: We were headed for a second depression. You know, they didn\u2019t say quite that way. You know, it was a little more nuanced than that but, ‘If you don\u2019t do something big, we could see a second depression, or a depression bigger than the second depression,\u2019 and, you know, if you\u2019re the president, you don\u2019t have time to gamble. And I didn\u2019t like using taxpayers\u2019 money to bail out the people that got us in trouble. I didn\u2019t like it at all, but when you\u2019re president you get faced with stark choices, and I couldn\u2019t have lived with myself had the country gone into a deep depression, and people\u2019s lives would have been affected. People thrown out of work. There are a lot of people out of work today and all of us are concerned about that but the situation could have been a lot worse.<\/line> <\/line> RUSH: Well, you talk about people that got us into trouble. Some people think it wasn\u2019t Wall Street by themselves. Some people think it was the Democrat Party. You talk about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the whole subprime mortgage mess. That was a brainchild of the Democrats.<\/line> <\/line> PRESIDENT BUSH: Yeah, that\u2019s right.<\/line> <\/line> RUSH: We bailed the Democrats out of a problem, too, and they continue to this day to blame you and the Republicans for it. Although I don\u2019t think they\u2019re getting away with it any longer. The election returns, I think, signal that. We\u2019re talking with former President Bush. We have to take a brief time-out. His new book, Decision Points, is published today. <\/line> <\/line> Back with more right after this.<\/line><\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: We\u2019re back with President George W. Bush. The new book, Decision Points, is out today. Mr. President, the softball questions are over. Now we move in —<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: (laughing)<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) Are you using a teleprompter on your book tour?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: (laughing) No. (laughing) I just finished. Actually, you don\u2019t need a teleprompter when you sit and sign books. I just finished signing I think like 2400 books here in Dallas.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Twenty-four hundred books?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, this is —<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: People seem interested. I hope not only supporters but critics read the book. I just want people to understand what it was like.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, you said you enjoy being out of the news. I can help you.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yeah? Get back in it or stay out of it?<\/p>\n

RUSH: No, just keep telling the truth and they\u2019ll ignore you.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Thank you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You can say… (laughing) Look, your tax cuts are set to expire at the end of this year. What should happen?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, if you\u2019re interested — if one is interested — in job creation, it is important to understand that 70% of new jobs are created by small businesses, and many small businesses pay personal income tax because they\u2019re subchapter-S or limited partnerships. And if rates go up on small businesses, it will be harder to create jobs. So I think you ought to keep \u2019em low.<\/p>\n

RUSH: All right. What about the Arizona immigration law? What are your thoughts on that?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: My thought on that is… Now, you see, you\u2019re trying to get me to make news. I don\u2019t want to make news. I want to sell books, of course, and I think —<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughs) Well, you can do both at the same time.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: (laughs)<\/p>\n

RUSH: I\u2019m an expert at it.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: I think the federal government ought to have a comprehensive immigration law and the fact there isn\u2019t one caused Arizona to react. And, as you know, I laid out a comprehensive plan that I believed would work when I was president. I still believe it will work, and in the book I talk about that decision to try to get legislation passed.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What was the objective of that legislation? What were you trying to accomplish with your comprehensive immigration reform because many people thought it was amnesty and they opposed it.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: No, I know, and that\u2019s what happens a lot of times these issues get labeled and people react poorly. I couldn\u2019t have said it more plainly: I was against amnesty. I don\u2019t know many people who were for amnesty when it comes time for comprehensive reform. I\u2019m sure there\u2019s some, but, you know, all that would do if you granted amnesty is encourage the next wave to come. I was trying to basically recognize that our economy required immigrants to work. I mean, there\u2019s a lot of jobs Americans won\u2019t do and therefore there needed to be an orderly, legal way for people to come and work on a temporary basis and that if you\u2019d paid your taxes and had been here for a while and were a good citizen you had a chance to become a citizen, but you had to get at the back of the line. It was a plan that I felt addressed the issue in a good way. There is no plan — obviously there\u2019s no plan, a comprehensive plan — yet, and therefore states like Arizona are reacting.<\/p>\n

RUSH: The politics of it, though. Many people feared the Democrats simply wanted to register all these people as new Democrat voters. They weren\u2019t concerned about any compassion; they weren\u2019t concerned about labor markets or any of that. They just saw an avenue for more Democrat votes and registration, and when Republicans are going along with it, people are pulling their hair out saying, ‘Why do we want to help the Democrats in their political efforts?\u2019<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: No. I know, I know. Look, a lot of people view things through a political lens. I thought it was good policy, though — and not all Democrats were for it on Capitol Hill, either, I might add. Anyway, it\u2019s still an issue and needs to be solved at some point in time.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Tea Party. What\u2019s your reaction?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, I think that democracy works, and people became frustrated, showed up and participated in the process. To me that\u2019s healthy when people participate in democracy. The worst thing that can happen in our system is people are frustrated and don\u2019t participate. A lot of people participated. I also watched a Tea Party-type movement in 1992, so this is nothing new for me. Remember when there was a lot of frustration in the political system and there was a third-party candidate who ran for president in \u201992, Ross Perot, and I believe it affected the election when it came time for my dad\u2019s reelection, but there was a lot of anxiety in the system then as well. It is healthy for our society if people feel anxiety and frustration that they participate, that they show up. And what\u2019s really unhealthy is if there\u2019s frustration and people do nothing. And, you know, so it was a very interesting political year.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I want to give you a chance to comment on something. There are stories going around that do not quote you — that quote ‘associates\u2019 or ‘friends\u2019 — saying that you are telling them that Sarah Palin was a bad choice by Senator McCain to be vice president —<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: — and that she —<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: I have never said that, of course, nor have I read about it. You know, I\u2019m not gonna comment on anybody who might be running for president. But that\u2019s what happens in today\u2019s world, the blogosphere. You know, people get to hide behind some codename or something. They toss out a gossip or rumor and it floats around the Internet. I never said that, never would have said that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What do you want people to know about you and your presidency that they don\u2019t know? What\u2019s in this book that you think will surprise people?<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Oh, gosh. I think it will surprise people that I deliberated long and hard about a lot of issues, that I weighed different people\u2019s opinions, that I was very deliberate when it came time to commit our troops. I tried to give diplomacy a chance. I think people will learn that I\u2019ve got a decent sense of humor, and I hope they already know that I\u2019ve got a set of values I wouldn\u2019t trade out for politics; and I hope they know that I was honored to serve our country, that I really love America, and to be the president of a country you love is a huge honor.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Privatizing Social Security. I meant to ask this when you mentioned it earlier. This is one of your hallmarks of your second term. You tried to get this done. It\u2019s always been said to be ‘the third rail.\u2019 Even today with your book coming out the Democrats are attacking you on this. You didn\u2019t want to reform the whole thing. You just wanted to get people a stake in it.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yeah, I… That\u2019s a codeword, ‘privatization.\u2019 That\u2019s obviously a poll-tested word. And so all I said was younger workers ought to have a chance to set aside some of their money in an account that earns a better rate of return than their money in the Social Security trust fund. Why I thought that\u2019s important is, one, it\u2019s voluntary. Secondly, it will give a waitress in a restaurant a chance to own an asset, an asset that he or she could pass on — or she, in this case, can pass on — to her family. There are a lot of people in our society who have no assets, and I felt like this would be a substantive reform that would be positive. And, of course, you know, by having a defined contribution plan as opposed to a defined benefit plan, you\u2019re taking power away from people in Washington, and that created a lot of angst. One of these days people will reform Social Security, and I was pleased to lay out a solution.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Former President Bush, it\u2019s great to have you on the program. It always is. Good luck with the book. You have a busy couple of months ahead of you with this, taking you through the Christmas season with it, and I thank you for your time here. It\u2019s always a pleasure to have you with us.<\/p>\n

PRESIDENT BUSH: Rush, thank you very much, sir. I appreciate your time.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You bet. Former President Bush is on the phone with us from Texas, and he does say that countless people miss him. Which we knew would be the case. Thanks again for your time, sir.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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