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RUSH: Here\u2019s Stacy from somewhere in Georgia. She is our semi-regular caller keeping us up to speed on health care and health insurance. She\u2019s our insurance analyst. Stacy, as always, welcome back. Great to have you here.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hey, Rush. Great to talk to you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you.<\/p>\n

CALLER: And for the NAGs out there, the problem is you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) <\/p>\n

CALLER: I solved that real quick and they didn\u2019t even have to rent a conference room. But, listen, I have found some truly delicious information.<\/p>\n

RUSH: On?<\/p>\n

CALLER: On these preexisting condition insurance plans that just came into effect last month.<\/p>\n

RUSH: By the way, before you get into this, have you heard that the Democrats have been given new marching orders? They are to stop talking about how Obamacare is going to save money.<\/p>\n

CALLER: And I can tell you why that is.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, yeah, because it\u2019s not going to save anybody any money.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, these poor suckers with these preexisting conditions who thought they were gonna get all this care, the very minimum — I calculated it — the very minimum these people are gonna pay if you\u2019re under 35 is $12,340 a year.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait. No, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait just a moment. You\u2019re talking about preexisting conditions are not going to be covered because people were told by the Democrats and Obama that at some point after the bill was signed that preexisting conditions and your kids and so forth would be covered, no longer could you be denied.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, that\u2019s true, but, remember, they set up a two-year transition plan, quote, unquote.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yes, but you\u2019re telling me that the minimum cost for the free service is $12,000?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait, per person?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Per person.<\/p>\n

RUSH: So the free coverage of preexisting conditions is $12,000 per year per person?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes. And I can explain it to you. And another delicious factoid about this, all of these plans — well, okay, back up. Twenty-two of the states told the Department of Health and Human Services that they didn\u2019t want to run this crap. They kicked it back to Washington and said, ‘You handle it.\u2019<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait, wait. Did not want to run the preexisting condition form of the insurance?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay.<\/p>\n

CALLER: So they kicked it back to HHS. HHS contracted out to a private insurance company called the Government Employees Health Association.<\/p>\n

RUSH: The Government Employees — the GEHA, GEHA.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Writing this down.<\/p>\n

CALLER: So they\u2019re administrating this plan on their website. And I\u2019m going to quote it to you. This plan is an HSA qualified high deductible health plan. The plan gives you greater control over how you use your health care benefits, and they want you to open an HSA account.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait. A health savings account?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly.<\/p>\n

RUSH: They want you to open one of those?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes. Now, here\u2019s the really, really fun part about it. There are no benefits payable for anything other than preventive diagnoses until you pay out of pocket $2500.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait. No benefits payable, meaning the insurance company is not going to pay for your free health care other than preventive diagnoses until you pay $2500 out of pocket?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly.<\/p>\n

RUSH: How does this relate to the 12,000?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, the very minimum in Georgia, the minimum premium is $323 a month. Okay? That works out to $3,840 a year.<\/p>\n

RUSH: For free preexisting coverage?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay. So you\u2019re just gonna pay that, then you\u2019ve also gotta add $2500 as your deductible before any benefits are payable, minus your preventive diagnoses. Then, it\u2019s an 80-20 for in network, 40-60 out of network until you have paid out of your pocket, not including the $2500, $6,000.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, so that\u2019s how we got to the 12. What is in network, out of network, what does that mean?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, this insurance company has gone out and gotten providers to sign contracts for services. That\u2019s an ‘in network.\u2019<\/p>\n

RUSH: Provider is a hospital, a doctor, or a nurse?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exact. All of the above.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Now, mind you, that $2500 that you have meet before they\u2019re going to pay a dime —<\/p>\n

RUSH: The deductible.<\/p>\n

CALLER: — that includes prescription drugs; that includes hospital stays; that includes durable medical equipment; that includes everything.<\/p>\n

RUSH: ‘Gerbil\u2019 medical equipment?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah. Okay, let me give you an example to kind of clear it up for you. Say you\u2019re a diabetic.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a minute, ‘gerbil\u2019 medical equipment?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Durable.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Sorry.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Whew!<\/p>\n

CALLER: Let\u2019s say you\u2019re an insulin-dependent diabetic, and you\u2019ve been —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a minute, I\u2019m just now getting my composure back. We are an insulin-dependent diabetic. Okay.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay. So you have to buy your syringes, you have to buy your insulin, okay, the syringes are considered medical equipment.<\/p>\n

RUSH: No, wait. You gotta buy it yourself, gotta go to the drugstore, gotta buy it yourself?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly. <\/p>\n

RUSH: This is not part of your free health care.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly, until you have paid $2500. Now, you have to go to your physician every couple of months and have blood tests run to see what your blood levels are. That\u2019s not covered.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Why can\u2019t you just get one of those finger prick things that you get in the drugstore to test your blood sugar, why go to the doctor?<\/p>\n

CALLER: They do that, but you do go to the doctor because they run more expensive laboratory tests.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh.<\/p>\n

CALLER: There\u2019s different levels of sugars in your blood and they have to see your three-month average and all of that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Right. I\u2019m writing all this down, so far I feel like I\u2019m in a maze.<\/p>\n

CALLER: It is a little crazy.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I\u2019m an insulin-dependent diabetic, and all I\u2019ve learned here is I gotta somehow come up with $2,500 bucks to go out and buy all this equipment, and then it\u2019s going to cost me $300 a month if it\u2019s pre-existing, I\u2019m still trying to figure out where the $6,000 per year comes into this.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I\u2019ll help you. We\u2019ll get there. When you go to your doctor to have your blood run, that\u2019s not a preventive, so you have to pay the doctor\u2019s office.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a minute. When does your insurance kick in?<\/p>\n

CALLER: After you have $2500 at the insurance company of claims that they\u2019ve run up but they\u2019re not paying.<\/p>\n

RUSH: All right. So you have to have the equivalent of $2500 of medical services by your provider —<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly.<\/p>\n

RUSH: — and that\u2019s your deductible. You gotta pay that before any insurance kicks?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Even though you\u2019re paying a premium, minimum $300 some odd a month?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Under free Obamacare. Okay.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Once you hit that $2500, then you get into some copay so your doctor would be a $25 copay. Out of pocket, and they\u2019re not really clear on what contributes to their out-of-pocket, but the —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Whose out-of-pocket?<\/p>\n

CALLER: The patient\u2019s. So once you get to $2500 they\u2019re gonna pay 80-20. They\u2019ll pay 80%, you\u2019ll pay 20%.<\/p>\n

RUSH: So after you pay the $2500 plus the $300 a month, you\u2019re still paying?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Where did you find it? I know you\u2019re in the insurance business.<\/p>\n

CALLER: It\u2019s right here on the Web. It\u2019s www dot P as in Paul, C as in cat, I as in India, P as in Paul, L as in Lima, alpha, N as in Nancy, dot.com.<\/p>\n

RUSH: PCIPLAN.com?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And that is what?<\/p>\n

CALLER: That is the GEHA\u2019s website for this preexisting coverage. Now, Rush, I gotta give you one more before you gotta go.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait. GEHA, that\u2019s the general —<\/p>\n

CALLER: It\u2019s the Government Employees Health Association.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Government Employees Health Association.<\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s the insurance company.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s the insurance company. Okay, so it\u2019s the insurance company website.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly. Now, one of the 22 states that kicked it back to HHS and said we don\u2019t want to do this is Arizona. And guess what you have to provide GEHA in order to be approved for their plan? Proof of citizenship.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) No!<\/p>\n

CALLER: (laughing) Is this not delicious? I mean, I\u2019m not normally one for schadenfreude, but when I found this last night I was falling all over the floor. Do you wanna know the states that are doing this?<\/p>\n

RUSH: This panacea, this utopian free preexisting condition care health care plan is going to cost you $12,000 a year is only accessible if you can prove citizenship?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly. In my view, that $12,000 a year is the absolute minimum. It can go up to $27,000.<\/p>\n

RUSH: But you said Arizona kicked it back \u2019cause they don\u2019t want to participate in it.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: So illegals will now not be mandated to give their proof of citizenship.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, if they\u2019re in Arizona and they want the preexisting condition insurance, then they\u2019ll have to send proof of citizenship. <\/p>\n

RUSH: No, you said Arizona kicked it back and they\u2019re not gonna play.<\/p>\n

CALLER: No, no, you can\u2019t do that. All states have to play, but 22 states said we are not going to deal with finding a contractor. They just said, ‘We\u2019re gonna let you do it, HHS. You handle it.\u2019<\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh, as the secretary shall determine.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That would be Kathleen Sebelius.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes. So for Arizona, if an illegal alien has a preexisting condition and he wants to get on this plan, he\u2019s going to have to forge him up some documents to send in because you have to provide proof of citizenship.<\/p>\n

RUSH: This is too rich.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Isn\u2019t it wonderful?<\/p>\n

RUSH: This is just too rich.<\/p>\n

CALLER: The schadenfreude is through the ceiling. It\u2019s insane.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I happen to know that proof of citizenship was one of the things the Republicans were able to force into this. That\u2019s one of the few things the Republicans were able to ram through in this, was proof of citizenship into the health care reform bill.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I would love to know if they also ran the HSA piece into it. And the reason that this private insurance company has done this as an HSA and high deductible plan is because they know they\u2019re not going to be able to cover the money that is gonna go out on this.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, hell, 90% of the patients are not going to be able to afford this.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I know. And, you know, you also have to be not covered by any insurance plan whatsoever for six months —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Before you qualify for this?<\/p>\n

CALLER: In order to qualify for this, and —<\/p>\n

RUSH: You mean you gotta have no insurance for six months before you can qualify for this boondoggle?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes. <\/p>\n

RUSH: I can\u2019t believe — well, I can believe it, actually, it sounds unbelievable but I — well, you would know. Are you still in the insurance business?<\/p>\n

CALLER: I am.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Why?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Because it\u2019s a tough job market, but I\u2019m working on it.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I was going to say.<\/p>\n

CALLER: But I\u2019m hopeful. I really am hopeful. God, please let conservatives take the House at least and starve this beast. If they don\u2019t do that, I\u2019m going to be so frustrated I don\u2019t know what to do.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, that\u2019s a two-pronged problem, taking the House and then getting the Republicans to starve the beast.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I know.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s a separate issue.<\/p>\n

CALLER: But, yeah, there is so much irony in this little piece. In my view this is only good for two years. Supposedly in 2014 all of this ends and then you go on to the exchanges.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Right. That\u2019s essentially single payer and that\u2019s where they hope to get this.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Exactly. Another one, Rush. You remember how they said they weren\u2019t going to put any benefit limits on people?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah.<\/p>\n

CALLER: For this plan right here, they have all kinds of benefit limits. One of the big ones that I saw was if you need hospice care, they have a $15,000 benefit maximum that they will pay and you can wipe out 15 grand in hospice in a heartbeat, and that\u2019s including inpatient and outpatient —<\/p>\n

RUSH: I know. And there aren\u2019t many heartbeats left in hospice —<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: — to begin with. There\u2019s going to be a revolt when this happens to people.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, they\u2019re starting to find out. Like I said, enrollment started last month.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah, because everybody thinks it\u2019s going to be free.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, you know, that\u2019s a sucker for you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Stacy, thanks for the call. It\u2019s always a pleasure.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Have a great one, dear.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And. The ‘gerbil\u2019 procedures, I\u2019m still caught on that. <\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: No, I wasn\u2019t making it up. From the Democrat talking points slideshow, ‘The presentation\u2019s final page of ‘Don\u2019ts\u2019 counsels against claiming ‘the law will reduce costs and [the] deficit.” They are not to talk about that now. As they go out into the campaign season (they\u2019re back home for the August recess) they are not to talk about the cost savings and deficit reduction. They\u2019re supposed to talk about the ‘improvements\u2019 in health care that will result, because everybody knows it\u2019s not going to reduce costs.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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