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RUSH: Suzanne in Benton Harbor, Michigan, great to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hi, Rush!<\/p>\n

RUSH: Hey.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I\u2019m so thrilled to talk to you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you.<\/p>\n

CALLER: My question is, if they manage to get this reconciliation pushed through — other than of course, you know, a lot of Democrats losing their seats — what do you think is going to happen at that point and what kind of recourse do we have? As citizens do we have any way to fight this on our own?<\/p>\n

RUSH: At the ballot box first and foremost, but you mean if this actually gets written into law and signed by Obama, what can we do?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Right. If they get this health care pushed through the way they\u2019re talking about it now with this reconciliation process, what do you think is going to be the next phase or the next step? What do you think happens next?<\/p>\n

RUSH: I actually shudder to think.<\/p>\n

CALLER: (chuckles)<\/p>\n

RUSH: I don\u2019t think any of these people in Washington understand the depth of anger and outrage over how this is being done and what is being done. The absolute, total, in-your-face governance of the president and his party. Senator Tom Coburn was asked this question by a reporter at Fox the other day, and the reporter said, ‘Look, the Democrats are committing suicide. Why not let \u2019em have this bill? Let \u2019em have it and let \u2019em lose big and then when you guys get power back in November, just start tearing it apart.\u2019 He said, ‘That sounds great, but rolling back big pieces of legislation like this is really, really hard.\u2019 He didn\u2019t say why, but let me ask you: Are you aware of any entitlement that\u2019s ever been streamlined, reduced, canceled, or rolled back?<\/p>\n

CALLER: No. No, and I\u2019m terrified of what\u2019s going to happen if this gets through. I have two children, and my husband has been through two jobs in the last couple years, and we have gone without insurance, and I know what it\u2019s like, and I am still just absolutely furious over this, that it\u2019s being shoved down my throat.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I feel helpless, and I don\u2019t know if there\u2019s any way to fight it. I mean, other than voting. But, you know, by November, it may be too late.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, we\u2019ll see. I still am not convinced they have the ability to get this done, \u2019cause if we adopt that attitude then there\u2019s a natural sense of finality that steps in and the passionate opposition to it recedes. That can\u2019t be allowed to happen. I don\u2019t think they\u2019re anywhere near actually getting it done.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, Mike in Marion, Iowa, it\u2019s great to have you on the EIB Network, sir. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah, thanks Rush. Mega dittos from the frozen tundra of eastern, east-central Iowa.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah. Well, somebody has to be there.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes. (laughs) It\u2019s great. My question is: What bill are the Democrats talking about reconciling? Is it HR-3200?<\/p>\n

RUSH: It\u2019s the House bill.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay. Well, that\u2019s HR-3200.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah. There\u2019s not a new one.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay.<\/p>\n

RUSH: This whole reconciliation route, it\u2019s a confusing term because the actual term is ‘budget reconciliation,\u2019 and it is an exception to the 60-vote requirement in the Senate, which is a Senate rule, a long-standing Senate rule, and it is used only for items that have budgetary consequences because the Constitution requires that. So they made an exception to the 60-vote rule. <\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, Tom Harkin, senator from Iowa, your blowhard senator, told The Politico this afternoon that Senate Democrat leaders (and this is no surprise) have decided to go the reconciliation route. So here\u2019s what he said is going to happen. The House will first pass the Senate bill after Senate leaders demonstrate to House leaders that they have the votes to pass reconciliation in the Senate. So as I understand this, the House goes first, and they — without conference committee, without making any changes in it — will pass the Senate bill. Therefore, a new bill will be coming out of the House. That bill will then go to the Senate, where instead of a conference they will use reconciliation to add things to it that were not in it originally such as the public option or whatever else the House Democrats want to really beef it up. But they\u2019ll do it item by item by item, and the Republicans will then have the opportunity to object and demand amendments and so forth, call for parliamentary points of order, parliamentarian rulings. If Biden doesn\u2019t like the rule, he can overrule the parliamentarian. It can take a long time. It\u2019s going to be a bloody process, and once you free the Republicans from the 60-vote business, then it\u2019s a little easier for them to slow it down by just putting thumbtacks in the road at every attempt to reconcile the House bill that the Senate engages in. So if Harkin has this right, they\u2019re essentially going to be reconciling their own bill after the House passes it.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay. I saw [Former Senator] Rick Santorum on Fox News last night —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah.<\/p>\n

CALLER: — and he had said the only thing the Republicans can really do is just add amendment after amendment after amendment and then they\u2019ll go through their processes of getting rid of them, but all they can really do is try and slow it down that way.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s pretty much true. I have to tell you something. I don\u2019t normally go off on this kind of a tangent, but so many DC pundits over the past three months (including some of the Fox All Stars) pooh-poohed all this talk of reconciliation. ‘They\u2019ll never do reconciliation. They\u2019ll never do that. That\u2019s just a bunch of talk radio lingo. They\u2019ll never do reconciliation,\u2019 and here we are. The door has just been opened to reconciliation. Look, I hope I have not confused you more with this explanation.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, no, I\u2019m not confused. I was just curious because the reconciliation process is through the Senate. So that means they have to have a bill to do that. They\u2019ve already passed their one Senate bill that they have, so then it has to be HR-3200. That\u2019s the one that they\u2019re going to do.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, no. That may not be the case, and I\u2019m going to double-check this, because I\u2019m just going on what Harkin said here to the Politico. <\/p>\n

CALLER: All right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: The House will first pass the Senate bill.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Which, again, if I\u2019m reading that right, HR-3200 is history. The Senate bill becomes the House bill. That new House bill, which is just the original Senate bill, then goes back to the Senate and then they start adding all the dirt to it —<\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay.<\/p>\n

RUSH: — that the House bill had but they couldn\u2019t pass in a conference committee. The Democrats couldn\u2019t agree on those two bills. They had a House bill and a Senate bill — 3200, you\u2019re saying and whatever the Senate bill number was — and the Republicans couldn\u2019t stop either one up until Scott Brown came along. They couldn\u2019t agree on a lot of this. That\u2019s why they\u2019re going reconciliation. There\u2019s one minor potential pratfall here, and that is the level of distrust that exists between the Democrats in the House and the Senate. As I said earlier, ‘The House went first on cap and trade, the House went first on this, and they took all the heat because they\u2019re the ones that put the communism in the bill.\u2019 Let me rephrase that. They\u2019re the ones that intensified and amplified the communism in the bill. <\/p>\n

And the Senate said, ‘Ah, gee, we\u2019re not going to get that.\u2019<\/p>\n

That\u2019s when you had Mary Landrieu and Blanche Lincoln and Ben Nelson saying, ‘Public option? No way.\u2019<\/p>\n

‘Okay, okay, how about a Cornhusker Kickback for your vote?\u2019<\/p>\n

‘Oh, okay.\u2019<\/p>\n

‘And Mary, how about a Louisiana Purchase? We\u2019ll exempt you from all of our punitive Medicare expenses. Louisiana and Nebraska won\u2019t have to pay \u2019em.\u2019<\/p>\n

‘Okay, we\u2019ll take it.\u2019<\/p>\n

And Schwarzenegger said (impression), ‘Vell, vat about me?\u2019<\/p>\n

And they said, ‘Screw you! You\u2019re Republican.\u2019 <\/p>\n

In name only. So the history of this is you didn\u2019t have two bills that could be conferenced in the normal procedure, and after they were put together you would not get 60 votes on that final bill in the Senate. That\u2019s why we\u2019re here, and then when Scott Brown won the election, bye-bye 60 votes. So no 60 votes ceased to be a factor because they didn\u2019t have them. I mean, the real history of this is the American people through their elected representatives — in election after election after election and vote after vote after vote — have rejected this every which way possible, but that doesn\u2019t mean anything to our young, unqualified president. He wants this, and despite the fact that he has said we should never change Senate rules for policy legislation. Never! That\u2019s tearing at the fabric of what the Founders said, here he is doing it today. So a brief history, just to help maybe… This is what we don\u2019t here is we make the complex understandable. <\/p>\n

So the House passed the health care bill that had every, every, every destructive element Obama wanted in it. You lose your insurance coverage, public option, bye-bye insurance companies in the private sector. It had it all. Single payer. It was all there. The Senate tried to do the same thing. The problem was Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Blanche Lincoln, a couple others, and Olympia Snowe said, ‘Public option? There\u2019s no way I\u2019m voting for that.\u2019 So they couldn\u2019t get 60 votes in the Senate for an identical House bill. So they got a different bill, a watered-down version of the Senate bill. It was time to compromise, time to go to the conference committee. There were big-time arguments. It wouldn\u2019t happen. Even if they came to some sort of agreement, they\u2019d still have to go back to the Senate and get 60 votes again on the conferenced bill, the compromise between the two houses.<\/p>\n

Once again Blanche Lincoln and Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu said, ‘No. We\u2019re not going public option,\u2019 and it stalled, and it stalled, and then Scott Brown was elected. And that takes 60 votes off the table. So they can\u2019t use normal rules. They were stopped dead in their tracks. It was finished. They were crying, ‘Oh-ho no! We\u2019re going to lose it for another ten years. We can\u2019t go back!\u2019 (sobbing) Obama said, ‘We\u2019re going to do it.\u2019 So they started talking about reconciliation (while denying they were they were talking about reconciliation) and all the media pundits in Washington said, ‘Ah, there will never be reconciliation.\u2019 So what\u2019s going to happen now is, the Senate bill that is watered down at this point… The Senate bill does not have the public option. The Senate bill doesn\u2019t have half of what Obama said today. Now, it\u2019s key to know this. What Obama said in his speech today has never passed a joint session of Congress, meaning a Senate-House conference compromise. <\/p>\n

It has never passed. It couldn\u2019t get 60 votes. That\u2019s the whole reason we\u2019re at this stage. So here\u2019s the trick. The House has got to trust the Senate. The House will pass the Senate bill. They\u2019ll send it over there as though there\u2019s no House bill. Nancy Pelosi is going to rubber stamp it. It doesn\u2019t have public option in it, ostensibly. It doesn\u2019t have all these things in it. They may strip out the Cornhusker Kickback but I think Landrieu is going to get her deal still. So in essence what is the Senate bill will become the House bill. Then that bill goes over to the Senate and the reconciliation process where only 51 votes per amendment, per add, whatever, are necessary to pass it in a clear violation of Senate rules. So when you hear that the House bill is going to be ‘reconciled,\u2019 it\u2019s actually the original Senate bill sent over there that they rubberstamp. <\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Here\u2019s Adam in Shinnston, West Virginia. Great to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hello, Rush. Dittos from mountaineer country.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you, sir.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I was just wondering what your thoughts were on if the Democrats push reconciliation this week, if you think that the Republicans could repeal it and in the fall if they gain back both houses since the effects don\u2019t take effect \u2019til 2016. What are your thoughts on that, sir?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, well, interesting question. There are two implementation dates. The implementation of all of the new tax increases and all of the new regulations start immediately. The so-called benefits, the spending, doesn\u2019t start for four years or so, or five, and that\u2019s a budget gimmick for Obama and his buddies to be able to say it comes in under a trillion dollars. So basically you\u2019re going to have ten years of taxes and six years of spending or five, whatever it is. But still, rolling it back, repealing it, I can only tell you what Coburn said. I\u2019m going to be talking to some of these guys in the coming days because the Club for Growth meeting is down here this week and a bunch of these guys are going to be in town and I have some meetings set up and I\u2019m going to find out what the strategery is and I\u2019m going to find out exactly what\u2019s involved \u2019cause I\u2019ve never seen it happen. By definition this is an entitlement and by definition an entitlement can\u2019t be touched, by definition. We can\u2019t roll back Social Security. We can\u2019t roll back Medicare or Medicaid. When you hear that 60% of the federal budget is entitlement spending, it means there can never be budget cuts in that. It\u2019s the discretionary side, which is becoming less and less and less of the budget. And this is just another one of these entitlements. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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