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RUSH: Dave in Chicago nice to have you, sir, welcome to the EIB Network I\u2019m glad you waited.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Thank you, Rush, for taking my call.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yes, sir.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I am a physician and I practice geriatric medicine and I wanted to make a comment on this-every-five-year conversation on advanced care planning. First of all, I\u2019ll say that I hope this health care reform bill does not pass. In fact, I\u2019d love to get rid of Medicare altogether. But I think this-every-five-year discussion is actually a good idea. It\u2019s something that I do with my patients often, have discussions about who their health care power of attorney should be, their advanced care plan, but I cannot reimburse Medicare for doing that. Medicare won\u2019t pay me for that, and so this is actually one piece of the legislation I think is a good idea.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, if you think it\u2019s a good idea, and you want to have death care discussion with your patients and they wish to consent to death care discussions with you, then that\u2019s fine. If you want to run your practice that way and your patients are cool with it. But I will be damned if it\u2019s going to be become federally mandated law that the government hires a bunch of counselors that has these death care — as you call it, death care — discussions, ‘end-of-life discussions.\u2019 Really what those discussions are, when you call it ‘death care\u2019 or ‘end of life,\u2019 it\u2019s ‘end of care.\u2019 That\u2019s what the counselors are preparing these people for: end of care, \u2019cause they\u2019re getting old and it isn\u2019t going to be worth of investment. It\u2019s right in the House bill! <\/p>\n

People to want try to deny all these things that are right there. People have read it. They\u2019re in the bill. And we\u2019ve got President Obama on tape, on that ABC infomercial a hundred-year-old lady who wants a pacemaker. One doctor said, ‘No, no, we can\u2019t do that for you. It doesn\u2019t make any sense.\u2019 Another specialist said, ‘Yeah, you got a lot of spirit. I think we should give you the pacemaker.\u2019 The woman got the pacemaker. Five years later she\u2019s 105, still productive. The woman\u2019s mother asked the president of the United States, would he be willing to judge the spirit and will to live on the part of the patient? He said, no, no, no. You reach a point where it just makes more sense to give a pain pill. <\/p>\n

The operation is a little bit more complicated, and you should just give them a pain pill. Now, the Obama White House is doing their best to erase that from the historical record, but he said it and it\u2019s there. So whatever you hear about this discussion of end-of-life counseling or, as Dave here from Chicago is referring to it as ‘death care.\u2019 It\u2019s end of care. That\u2019s what they\u2019re going to be talking to you about. At what point are they going to say to you to you, ‘It\u2019s simple. We\u2019re gotta stop caring for you because it\u2019s going to be hopeless. It ain\u2019t going to make any sense.\u2019 Now, if the doctor wants to do that, fine! You go get another doctor who won\u2019t. But when the federal government is mandating that this be done? Sorry, folks, not in the United States of America.<\/p>\n

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RUSH: Stan in Orlando, Florida, hello, sir, great to have you on the EIB Network.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Oh, good afternoon, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Hi.<\/p>\n

CALLER: And thank you very much.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You bet, sir.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hey listen, I like the sped-up voices. Kind of reminds me of Mickey Mouse. But I had a question for you if I could.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Sure.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I\u2019m under Obamacare, let\u2019s say, and I\u2019m an old guy that needs the pacemaker and gets the handful of pills instead because I get disapproved for the pacemaker, who does the family sue after I\u2019m dead and gone from the handful of pills that was given instead?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I\u2019ll have to research this specifically, but citizens cannot sue per se the federal government over a lot of things because that\u2019s all —<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah, you have to have their permission.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah. So in this case, since the Obama administration will be the insurance company, they\u2019ll be providing you the doctor, and the doctor will have the guidelines. Obama said, look, we\u2019re going to judge your quality of care, we\u2019re going to have a list of what works and what doesn\u2019t. If you come in as an old guy and you want your pacemaker and they give you a bunch of pills, I think you\u2019re stuck.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I think so, too, and that was kind of the point of my whole question.<\/p>\n

RUSH: The only caveat to this is, and I\u2019m a reasonably bright guy, and I know that this health care bill is not going to eliminate suing doctors, because that\u2019s how a lot of tort lawyers make their money. And there\u2019s no way, there\u2019s no way anything Obama or the Democrats do is going to take money out of the trial lawyers\u2019 pockets, so I imagine you will be able to but to and find a lawyer and sue somebody.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, it wouldn\u2019t be the doctor, Rush, because he\u2019s the one that recommended the pacemaker and it would be some government official somewhere that said, ‘Nah, you can\u2019t have that, give him these pills instead,\u2019 and so it\u2019s some government person somewhere and good luck suing the government. I mean us people out here in the real world don\u2019t have the kind of money to even pursue something like that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, you know, you raise a good point. I\u2019m going to have to consult the legal beagles. In that case it may only be private doctors, the doctors who choose not to join any of these insurance plans, public or otherwise. They adjust their fee for performance, cash only, well, take credit cards. If you have a patient pay the doctor and your doctor tells you, ‘Well, you want a pacemaker, no. I want to prescribe you some pain pills,\u2019 you might be able to sue that guy, you might be able to sue a doctor who opts out.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah, but see I would be under Obamacare, and like you said, I think I\u2019d be out of luck.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That is interesting. I\u2019m going to have to run this by people who have a more informed foundation of this whole concept. It\u2019s a great, great question because — I mean simple common sense. We know that no plan is going to ace out the trial lawyers. We know that most plans are going to empower them and enrich them. So the question is how that\u2019s going to happen. I\u2019m sure by the time I end this segment and look to my computer, three or four of my legal beagles will have sent me e-mails starting, ‘I can\u2019t believe you missed this.\u2019 So I\u2019ll have that answer for you before the show is over, I\u2019m sure. <\/p>\n

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RUSH: Margaret in Whittier, California, nice to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hello, Rush. Nice to speak with you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I\u2019m curious. Do you believe that there will be a form that needs to be filled out with our party affiliation to deny us health care as we become older, if we are Republican?<\/p>\n

RUSH: No. Well, wait, wait a second, wait a second. The reason I said no instinctively is because I think something larger than even that is at work. I\u2019ve had calls from other people who are just as afraid of this regardless of age. When the government\u2019s in charge of this and you got nowhere else you can go, if you haven\u2019t donated to Obama, do you get moved down the list? If you\u2019re registered Republican, do you get moved down the list? If you registered Democrat, does it move you up the list? I think what\u2019s really going on with seasoned citizens, Margaret, as I look at this, and I\u2019m just listening to what I\u2019ve heard and reading what I\u2019ve read. And, remember, Obama\u2019s answer to the woman with the hundred-year-old mother who wanted a pacemaker, ‘No, let\u2019s just give her pain pills.\u2019 Then you look at the bill with the end-of-care counseling and so forth. I think Obama, even though they\u2019re all being very wide open about this, I think there\u2019s still a lot of stealth. And they\u2019re using the fact that they want to ration treatment to elderly people on the basis we\u2019ve gotta do something to save money. But they save money two ways when elderly people die. One, you don\u2019t get health care anymore but also you are no longer on the Social Security rolls. So I think if you want to look at yourself as perhaps being discriminated against, it\u2019s that you\u2019re elderly first and then maybe Republican second, and so forth, third and what have you.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, they will make sure one way or another the health care will be denied, correct?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah. You can\u2019t get health care if you have passed away. Now, Social Security, when you pass away, if you have a survivor there may be some residuals. But you can\u2019t get any if you pass away, and you won\u2019t be able to get it if you get close to passing away; it\u2019s going to cost a lot of money to keep you alive. If you are a Democrat, though, you will still have the right to vote after you die.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, this is true.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, that we know.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: They found in Chicago just the other day a grave with bodies stacked on top of each other, and any time you go to a cemetery in Chicago you count \u2019em as voters.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Didn\u2019t Johnson do that? Didn\u2019t he have the cemeteries vote in Texas?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh, yeah, this is a Democrat tactic from long ago, but it has really been perfected by the Daleys in Chicago. So that\u2019s one caveat to seniors who will pass away at some point. You will still be voting. You may not know how. Well, you won\u2019t know how. And where you\u2019re going, you won\u2019t care anymore. But you will still be voting. There\u2019s a lot to look forward to in this. The Democrats are looking out for you. They care about you and your future demise, wherever it is. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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