{"id":32201,"date":"2009-04-17T01:01:01","date_gmt":"2011-05-19T02:30:25","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-05-19T02:30:25","modified_gmt":"2011-05-19T02:30:25","slug":"obama_releases_cia_memos_if_we_get_hit_again_he_owns_it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2009\/04\/17\/obama_releases_cia_memos_if_we_get_hit_again_he_owns_it\/","title":{"rendered":"Obama Releases CIA Memos: If We Get Hit Again, He Owns It"},"content":{"rendered":"<section>\n<p>RUSH: This is Madeleine up next in Melbourne, Florida. Madeleine, it\u2019s nice to have you on the EIB Network. Hello. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Hello, Rush. Once again it\u2019s an honor to speak with you. I\u2019m so fired up today between Napolitano and the latest of the memo or whatever &#8212; what did Snerdley say it\u2019s called? <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: CIA interrogation. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Oh, please!<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Obama, he really thought about this so long. He struggled with whether or not to release the details here. Do you know the left, Madeleine, is all bent out of shape because Obama said, &#8216;No, we\u2019ve got to move on. We\u2019re not going to prosecute any of the CIA people who did the interrogations,\u2019 but he did not rule out prosecuting former Bush administration officials.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yeah, I heard that. What was the purpose? Is this the purpose of this, to distract people from the idiot things he\u2019s doing? Aren\u2019t people more concerned about the economy, their jobs? <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: No, I want you to stop and think of this again. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Okay.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/members.premiereinteractive.com\/store\/28566\/41862_1.html\"><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/live-rush-limbaugh.pantheonsite.io\/wp-content\/uploads\/01125109.Par.89380.ImageFile_579144c993ec8.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"240\" class=\"alignright\"\/><\/a>RUSH: You\u2019re going to come up with your own answer. Here you have memos &#8212; and, by the way, if you look at what we are calling &#8216;torture,\u2019 you have to laugh. For example, what was it? &#8216;Slapping&#8230;putting an insect in with a prisoner in a small confined area.\u2019 There were 10 of these, but if you go through what are said to be the four worst, waterboarding, of course, which worked on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I\u2019m looking here for the details. Yeah, &#8216;sleep deprivation, facial slaps, placing one high-ranking al-Qaeda suspect,\u2019 that would be Abu Zubaydah, &#8216;in a cramped box of what he was told was a stinging insect.\u2019 This guy had a paranoia about stinging insects. They put him in with a caterpillar.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Oooo!<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: A caterpillar doesn\u2019t sting.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: (chuckles)<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: But they told him it stung and it worked. This is what supposedly made us the moral equivalent of al-Qaeda. So you tell me: Why would Barack Obama feel it necessary to release this to the world, especially when you look at what Obama said. Let me read you this. &#8216;First the interrogation techniques described in these memos have already been widely reported.\u2019 So if he had to get the truth out because it was already out, right? So answer your own question again. Why would he do this? <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: I &#8212; I &#8212; I can\u2019t answer that. It just makes no sense to me. I don\u2019t get it. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Now, now&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: You\u2019ll have to help me out there, Rush. Come on. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Now, now, now.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Does the Bush-bashing have something to do with it? Is it that it never ends? <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: That\u2019s part of it, but it\u2019s about far more than that. It makes total sense that Obama would do this. (interruption) Now, why are you frowning at me, Snerdley? Do you think&#8230;? (interruption) Jeez. (sigh) Is everything left up to me? Can nobody&#8230;? Is there no critical thinking left anymore? Is it always all going to be up to me? <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yes, it is. It\u2019s something every single day with the (garbled) and I &#8212; <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Madeleine?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: &#8212; just can\u2019t take it anymore. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: You have a President of the United States who at every opportunity on foreign soil is doing what? <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Making a fool out of himself. Weak photo-ops. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: He\u2019s apologizing for his own country. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Oh. That\u2019s right. I forgot about that.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/live-rush-limbaugh.pantheonsite.io\/wp-content\/uploads\/01125109.Par.4584.ImageFile.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"250\" class=\"alignright\"\/>RUSH: He\u2019s writing op-eds that run in Mexico and Central American countries yesterday and today that apologize for his own country. He goes to the G20. He apologizes for his own country. Now, during the prosecution of the Iraq war, one of the number one talking points &#8212; and its purpose, was to discredit the US military, to demoralize the US military, and to secure the defeat of the United States &#8212; was to manufacture all this horrible, rotten brouhaha about torture. And of course it started with Abu Ghraib in Baghdad and then Club Gitmo and so forth. For a President of the United States &#8212; who does not like this country as it\u2019s currently structured and who, by his own admission, is going to build a new foundation &#8212; isn\u2019t it easy and easier to release this and say: <\/p>\n<p>&#8216;See? I told you our country was guilty! We Democrats told you our country was guilty! These memos from my predecessor prove that this country is guilty! We have gone beyond our values and morals,\u2019 or what have you. So if you have a president whose mentors&#8230; He sat in church 20 years hearing what a rotten, unfair, unjust country the United States was. He heard it from his parents. He heard it from Bill Ayers. He believes it! Plus he keeps the media on his side because they bought into this totally. This makes total sense. And people are saying, &#8216;But, Rush! But, Rush!\u2019 and Mike Hayden and Mike Mukasey. Hayden is former CIA and Mukasey is former attorney general, wrote a great, great, great op-ed about this. <\/p>\n<p>My God, we\u2019ve just shown our enemies what we do! We\u2019ve just given away the effective elements of our techniques here, and people ask, &#8216;Why would Obama do that?\u2019 Look it, now, we do arrive at a point where I can\u2019t explain certain things. Maybe Obama thinks we\u2019re not going to get hit again. Maybe Obama thinks &#8212; maybe he really does believe like people in conflict-resolution class do &#8212; that al-Qaeda is going to read this memo and understand that Obama released it and maybe he thinks that terrorists around the world are going to conclude, &#8216;Hey, the United States is okay now! We don\u2019t need to attack them.\u2019 That\u2019s naive. I can\u2019t believe that really explains it. What he\u2019s done now is, if we\u2019re hit again, he owns it. If we\u2019re hit again, President Obama owns it. <\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: I\u2019m getting nagged by some people who say: &#8216;Hey, I know some caterpillars that sting.\u2019 Okay, so a caterpillar can sting, but you can\u2019t die from the thing. I\u2019ve never heard of a caterpillar that stings, but if it stings, it stings. You don\u2019t die from one. You might think you\u2019re going to, but we\u2019re talking about people who cut people\u2019s heads off, for crying out loud! What are we getting all concerned here about putting somebody in a little box with a caterpillar? So this is a montage from last night and this morning, Stephanopolous, Mika Brzezinski, Joe Scarborough, Chris Matthews and Tom Foreman of CNN. <\/p>\n<p>STEPHANOPOLOUS: The fact that Zubaydah was tortured with an insect in the confinement box, that was surprising.<\/p>\n<p>BRZEZINSKI: Actually putting bugs &#8212; <\/p>\n<p><BR\/>SCARBOROUGH: A caterpillar, yes.<\/line><BR\/> <\/line><BR\/>MATTHEWS: What kind of bug &#8212; how big was this bug? Put somebody in a coffin and you throw bugs in.<\/line><\/p>\n<p>FOREMAN: One memo even okayed throwing in an insect of which he was believed to be deathly afraid.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Man, this is torture? Slapping somebody in the face is torture? Sleep deprivation is torture? Throwing somebody in a little cramped environment with a caterpillar. Look, we found out this Zubaydah guy cuts people\u2019s heads off, who murders people, who tries to engage in mass killing, and by the way, according to Mukasey, the former attorney general, and Mike Hayden, the former CIA director, all this stuff worked, including the waterboard on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. They say it is a myth &#8212; and there\u2019s a lot of myths &#8212; they say in their brilliant op-ed that it\u2019s a myth that people lie to escape torture. For people to say that, to have an objection, it shows their ignorance. What interrogation is about is gathering intel. It\u2019s not just exclusively about trying to ascertain guilt. It\u2019s about ascertaining intel and there are many techniques that you use. One of the techniques to test a suspect is to ask him questions to which you already know the answers. Find out if he\u2019s being honest with you or not from the get-go. The idea that torture doesn\u2019t work, that\u2019s been put out from John McCain on down. McCain for the longest time said torture didn\u2019t work, and then he admitted in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention last summer that he was broken by the North Vietnamese, so what are we to think here? <\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re talking about national security. People have got to put this in context. If you want to pretend that we live in the idyllic days &#8212; 24 inches of snow in Denver tonight and tomorrow, by the way, thank you, global warming. Yup, 24-inch snow in Denver tonight and tomorrow, maximum possible &#8212; here it is, April 17th, people want to live in these idyllic days, April 17th, 2009 and start thinking about putting these poor people in with a caterpillar or slapping them in the face, oh, how horrible. Put yourself in the aftermath of 9\/11. By the way, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was claiming credit for beheading Daniel Pearl. We\u2019re supposed to sit here and worry about a face slap? Here is Obama, himself, the Spanish language version Juan Carlos Lopez interviewing Obama says: &#8216;Spanish Judge Baltasar Garzon is considering a lawsuit by attorneys representing six Spaniards who were at one point held at Guantanamo, and that lawsuit wants to go after President Bush\u2019s legal team. What\u2019s your reaction to that?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>OBAMA: I\u2019ve been very clear that Guantanamo is to be closed, that some of the practices of enhanced interrogation techniques I think ran counter to American values and American traditions. So I\u2019ve put an end to these policies. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: No, it\u2019s still open. <\/p>\n<p>OBAMA: I\u2019m a strong believer that it\u2019s important to look forward and not backwards. We\u2019re moving a process forward here in the United States to understand what happened, but also to focus on how we make sure that the manner in which we operate currently is consistent with our values and our traditions.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: What values and traditions are these people talking about? I\u2019ve been hearing this for eight years. What the hell values and traditions are they talking about? Appeasement? Surrender? What the hell values and what traditions? National security, defend and protect the people of this country and the Constitution, that\u2019s the oath. <\/p>\n<p><BR\/>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line><BR\/><a href=\"https:\/\/rush.radiothon.org\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/live-rush-limbaugh.pantheonsite.io\/wp-content\/uploads\/01125109.Par.56482.ImageFile.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"600\" class=\"alignright\"\/><\/a>RUSH: I forgot to mention we\u2019re talking about the horrible, horrible, horrible form of torture. The Obama Administration revealed in memos yesterday Abu Zubaydah was placed in a small area, smaller cell than usual with an insect. He had a fear of insects. They told him it was an insect that stings, a caterpillar. It turns out it was not used. The Chicago Tribune has it. He was not put in the cell with the insect, they just talked about it. In the memos it wasn\u2019t even used and even just that they were talking about it has people up in arms on the left. (laughing) Snerdley is saying to me these people have no idea. They have no idea what they\u2019re doing to us. It depends on who you\u2019re talking about. If you\u2019re talking about average Joe six-pack Democrat, I agree. He has no clue. But the people in charge of this administration, they know exactly what they\u2019re doing and there\u2019s a systemic plan for it. Don\u2019t fool yourselves they don\u2019t know what they\u2019re doing. They\u2019re roping in, they\u2019re sucking in all kinds of people. <\/line><\/p>\n<p>One thing that\u2019s good here, and I\u2019m not going to mention any names because this is a great day. We are still, I shouldn\u2019t say still. I\u2019m just surprised given economic circumstances. We are way ahead of last year for our <a xhtml:id=\"\/content\/home\/daily\/site_041709\/content\/01125106\" href=\"\/\/\/home\/daily\/site_041709\/content\/01125106.html\">Cure-A-Thon.<\/a> Number of donors, number of dollars. I\u2019m just in awe of this, of all of you that do this every year. The relationship that you and I have has to be probably the most unique audience\/host relationship out there today. This is just mind-boggling to me. So I don\u2019t want to get too negative here and name some names, but we\u2019ve got some people I thought were on our side, conservatives, who themselves are getting sucked in by this stuff, Snerdley. They\u2019re getting sucked in by all of it, from making ourselves poorer, which will lead to a simpler life of planting a garden and living off the radishes that we grow ourselves and we\u2019ll start smoking more and we\u2019ll start getting to know our families more and our neighbors more. This is all fine and dandy, because we\u2019re clearing out the dead weight on our side. But they know exactly what they\u2019re doing. <\/p>\n<p>They don\u2019t think they\u2019re putting us at risk, Snerdley. They don\u2019t think that. I wouldn\u2019t say that Barack Obama wants the country to get hit again, would you? Do you think Barack Obama has a desire for a terrorist attack on this country? I don\u2019t think that would play right now very well given what he wants to do with spending and so forth. But I do think that there is a complex among these people that it won\u2019t happen when he\u2019s there. It won\u2019t happen. Messianic type things are going to happen. These guys are going to read these memos and they\u2019re going to understand it\u2019s not Bush anymore. We\u2019re not out to harm \u2019em. Now these guys that we\u2019re talking about, they\u2019d cut off their own wives\u2019 heads if they detect them doing something not within the bounds of the law. And we\u2019ve got memos out there today saying how rude and horrible we are because we slap people. (slapping sound) I just slapped myself. (more slapping) I\u2019m torturing myself right now. That\u2019s torture, according to these people. If there is another hit, we\u2019re the laughing stock in Tora Bora; we\u2019re the laughing stock in the caves of Pakistan; we\u2019re the laughing stock in Riyadh; we\u2019re the laughing stock in Tehran; we\u2019re the laughing stock in all of these capitals, Damascus. <\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Bob in Bismarck, North Dakota. Great to have you with us, hello. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Rush, thanks for taking my call, especially on an important day like this. You\u2019re doing a good thing today, and we appreciate it. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Thanks very much. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Those that can do, should, and I mean that. My comment today was I\u2019m a little confused. I know you can help me. Somebody like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who has murdered Americans, who has planned to murder hundreds if not thousands of Americans, we cannot even muss his hair, yet three little Somali pirates that have never hurt anybody, we can shoot them down in cold blood. I\u2019m just a little confused about this. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Three black Somalia teenage pirates we can gun down on orders from the Oval Office, but that\u2019s because Obama\u2019s doing it and Bush did Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Okay, it\u2019s just as simple as that, huh? <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: When you boil it down to its essence. What you\u2019re pointing out is great hypocrisy, tremendous hypocrisy. But I\u2019m sure that you would have some very serious Democrat liberals tell you, &#8216;Well, those kids, those pirates, they were pointing a gun at our captain. When we got Sheikh Mohammed, he\u2019s threatening nobody when he\u2019s in prison.\u2019 <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: How about all the people that he knows that are threatening all of us? Isn\u2019t that worth finding out about? <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: The argument of course will break down. This is not the only thing that people are upset about. This Department of Homeland Security report that targets the military, returning military and compares them to Timothy McVeigh, I got an e-mail last night from James Boggess &#8212; I hope I\u2019m pronouncing his name right. He\u2019s a subscriber at RushLimbaugh.com. <\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Rush, I served eight years for the US Army. At no time during those eight years did I receive any training on how to rent a truck, load it with fertilizer, soak it with petroleum product, park it next to a federal building and ignite the mixture causing destruction to property and killing countless innocent people. Timothy McVeigh was a nut case, pure and simple. It\u2019s a sad thing that the government wants to focus on the fact that he was a veteran. There are millions of productive men and women in this country right now that are veterans. They put their lives on hold to serve their country. Now to find out that their country is not only ungrateful but also prepared to label them terrorists? I noticed that Janet Napolitano said to the extent that veterans read it as an accusation an apology is owed. She didn\u2019t apologize. She just said one is owed. My guess is she will never apologize, and she\u2019ll be placed on the shelf next to Jane Fonda, as far as I\u2019m concerned, as will Obama, since this report is his, and straight out of a Jeremiah Wright sermon. Mega dittos, El Rushbo, you keep me mellow and laughing at the chaos that is now our government.\u2019 <\/p>\n<p>There are a lot of people upset about this. I want you to listen to Mike Hayden, the former CIA director. He was on Andrea Mitchell &#8212; NBC News Washington &#8212; yesterday. She asked him this question: &#8216;What is the harm in being open about our techniques? I mean, that\u2019s certainly what President Obama promised during the campaign.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>HAYDEN: The release of the memos harms American security, and therefore, I think the best course of action would have been to have kept them classified. After all, this began life as a covert action whose definition is that the hand of the United States government is never acknowledged and the details of the operation are never revealed. And so I don\u2019t think it automatically fits into the class of the American people need to know. The degree to which we make these techniques public, that we tell our enemies the outer limits of American interrogation techniques, will effectively take these techniques off the table because our enemy will know all of our approaches to him. So there are a variety of reasons, I think, that it would have been best to keep the techniques secret. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Obama has his reasons and I do think they\u2019re couched in the notion that this country is guilty. This country is guilty as it exists and as it was founded, and our guilt was confirmed in the way we conducted the war on terror so we\u2019ve got to spank ourselves. 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