{"id":294716,"date":"2018-12-14T16:10:00","date_gmt":"2018-12-14T21:10:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/?p=294716"},"modified":"2018-12-18T16:52:36","modified_gmt":"2018-12-18T21:52:36","slug":"breaking-down-the-rats-interview-with-stephanopoulos","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2018\/12\/14\/breaking-down-the-rats-interview-with-stephanopoulos\/","title":{"rendered":"Breaking Down the Rat\u2019s ABC Interview and Trump\u2019s Deal with Pecker"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>RUSH: &#8220;Donald Trump was the third person in the room in August 2015 when his lawyer Michael Cohen and &#8230; Pecker discussed ways Pecker could help counter negative stories about Trump\u2019s relationships with women&#8230;&#8221; Trump\u2019s relationships with women? &#8220;It\u2019s impeachable, Mr. Limbaugh! It\u2019s criminal. We\u2019re on the verge&#8230;&#8221; It is?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-294722\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/APP-121418-Cohen-Liar-Liar.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/APP-121418-Cohen-Liar-Liar.jpg 640w, https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/APP-121418-Cohen-Liar-Liar-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/>&#8220;According to documents supplied by the SDNY, Trump and Cohen had a meeting one year before,&#8221; not 2015. It was August of 2014 they met &#8220;to discuss this arrangement.&#8221; Again, the memorandum from the Southern District of New York says, \u201cIn August 2014, Chairman [Pecker] had met with Cohen and [Trump] and had offered to help deal with negative stories about [Trump]\u2019s relationships with women by identifying such stories so that they could be purchased and \u2018killed.\u2019&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So this arrangement was made long before Trump became a candidate and probably even before he thought of running for the White House. So where\u2019s the campaign finance violation? There isn\u2019t one, and there isn\u2019t a crime. And, by the way, this practice&#8230; I\u2019ve told this story once just to show you how common this is. When this program was first starting, we started with 56 radio stations in small markets. They were great radio stations, but it wasn\u2019t enough to make this a success.<\/p>\n<p>You need to be&#8230; I\u2019ll give you a little inside baseball stat. If you can get a radio program on the air in the top-ten markets, then you can tell advertisers that you reach 80% of the nation\u2019s population. If you can get your program on the top 20 markets, you can say to advertisers that you are reaching &#8212; not that they\u2019re all listening to you, but you are reaching &#8212; 95% of the population. So we needed top-ten markets. We weren\u2019t on the air in New York, but our commercials were airing there.<\/p>\n<p>That was an arrangement that we had to make. The New York stations said, &#8220;We\u2019re not gonna carry some bumpkin national show! This is New York. People in New York don\u2019t care what\u2019s happening anywhere else.&#8221; Okay, fine. You wait. Up next was Los Angeles, and the guy that ran the station we were trying to get on in Los Angeles agreed to buy the show and bury it! It\u2019s called &#8220;shelving.&#8221; He agreed to buy it and pay us for it but never air it, keeping it out of the market entirely.<\/p>\n<p>Now, this is not the same reason that the National Enquirer was trying to bury stories about McDougal, but the point is these things are not uncommon. The guy in LA didn\u2019t want to carry the show but he didn\u2019t want to take a chance it was gonna succeed on some other station; so he was offering to pay for it and shelve it. Now, I\u2019m thankful my syndication partner Ed McLaughlin said no. By then, we needed some money. We were just starting out. There was no funding or any of that. It was purely an entrepreneurial exercise.<\/p>\n<p>We resisted the temptation and found a different station in Los Angeles. The rest is history. But these kind of things, these kinds of &#8212; and none of that was criminal. Not a thing of this was criminal, trying to bury it. (chuckles) I thought it had criminal intent, in a way. But it was not, according to law, criminal. Other stations tried to say, &#8220;Yeah, we\u2019ll take it, but we\u2019re gonna run it between midnight and 5 on Saturday night.&#8221; No, we\u2019re not gonna let you have it.<\/p>\n<p>All these big market stations were afraid of it but didn\u2019t want it, initially. They wanted to bury it or shelve it. And we just stuck with it. Pecker was a friend of Trump\u2019s and this is a deal that they entered into. But it was 2014, not 2015. Trump was not even a candidate at that time. But look at the juxtaposition of things here. Where did this all start? It all started with Russian collusion, and I just saw a Fox News poll.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignright wp-image-294737\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/David-Pecker-e1544811545854.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"450\" \/>This is the poll that has Trump\u2019s approval number at 46%. This poll has, again, 46 or 47% of the American people believe the Russians tampered with votes! Forty-six or 47% believe that the Russians did indeed collude! They believe it &#8212; in a Fox News poll &#8212; when it didn\u2019t happen! (chuckles) The people who are pushing the conspiracy have not even alleged it. They have created the impression. That\u2019s how collusion has come to be defined, the way it\u2019s been discussed by the media and all of the paid-for guests on the media.<\/p>\n<p>The &#8220;collusion&#8221; has come to mean Russians somehow find a way to screw with our votes and screw with the outcome of elections. Even Rosenstein has made a point of saying nobody that\u2019s been indicted has had anything to do with votes. Not a single vote has been tampered with. Not a single election outcome has been affected. The media studiously ignores it, and the same kind of thing is happening here. There isn\u2019t any crime. We started out with Trump colluding with Russia.<\/p>\n<p>And now we\u2019re being told that there are dire criminal activities that have been unearthed are Donald Trump paying off women with whom he reportedly has had affairs. Such a dastardly scheme! Such a dastardly scheme! I mean, the idea that these things are gonna send Donald Trump to jail is absurd, unless the entire legal system ends up being rigged and all kinds of violations there take place. But under the current code, under current law, there is no way that what Trump has done here is criminal or in violation of campaign finance violations, and that\u2019s not from me.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s from Bradley Smith, the former chairman of the Federal Election Commission.<\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Another thing that came to mind, two things. Every witness that the great Robert Mueller has drug out of the sewer is a known liar. Every witness that Mueller has has been demonstrated to be a liar to one degree or another, and many of these witnesses have claimed that Mueller is even asking them to lie now and say what Mueller wants them to say instead of what happened.<\/p>\n<p>Second point, just to remind you, when it comes to federal election law, remember who wrote these laws. People that run for office. They write federal election law, but it is largely &#8212; well, I\u2019ll give you an example. If, in the case of a questionable campaign expense, if it can be shown that the expense in any way, any way whatsoever is personal, then it is automatically exempted as a campaign or election expense. That\u2019s in the law. The people that run for office wrote the law, and they gave themselves a lot of outs.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-290099\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/APP-102618-Trump-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/APP-102618-Trump-2.jpg 640w, https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/APP-102618-Trump-2-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/>Well, in 2014, if Donald Trump\u2019s having a meeting with the rat and with Pecker from the National Enquirer at which time Pecker is offering to buy stories about these babes and then not run them, 2014, it could easily be claimed that Trump entered into this deal or okayed it in order to keep his family from finding out, i.e., personal!<\/p>\n<p>It doesn\u2019t take much evidence. If there is even the slightest even opportunity that the payment could be said to be for personal reasons, then it is automatically exempt as a campaign expense and therefore exempt from campaign finance law.<br \/>\nProving intent is, unlike Comey\u2019s claim about Hillary, proving intent in campaign finance law violations is mandatory. And it\u2019s a really hard thing to prove because of this out that they\u2019ve built into the system.<\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: You know, it seems like only yesterday that Cohen&#8230; Look at people we\u2019re talking about here. It seems like only yesterday Cohen\u2019s lawyers said that he was gonna wait until Mueller\u2019s investigation was completed and report was issued before he would speak publicly, which was a laugh. Cohen can\u2019t wait to tell the world what a victim he is and what a reprobate Trump is, and it\u2019s all because he\u2019s made a decision that his future financial opportunities are far greater as a friend of the media and a friend of Hollywood and a friend of movie and TV producers than as a Donald Trump loyalist.<\/p>\n<p>No question that that\u2019s his decision &#8212; and they probably put the fear of God into him at the special counsel\u2019s office, and he has committed tax fraud and other serious crimes that have nothing to do with Trump that he\u2019s still hoping to get reduced time on. But why is Mueller and the SDNY&#8230;? Why are they allowing Cohen to go all over TV now and talk to Stephanopoulos? Isn\u2019t Cohen interfering in their investigation by blabbing to the press like this? Isn\u2019t this what we\u2019ve always heard?<\/p>\n<p>Why are they allowing him to do it? The DOJ, for example, they say they can\u2019t release any documents to Congress because it might interfere with the Mueller and Trump witch hunts! They can\u2019t reveal&#8230; Congress still wants some documents on this whole thing that happened with Flynn that have not been released, and they\u2019re saying, &#8220;We can\u2019t release them. It would interfere with the investigation!&#8221; Well, what is Cohen doing? That\u2019s why I don\u2019t think&#8230; I don\u2019t think he\u2019s a free agent on this.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/-prxClM2or4\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>I think they\u2019re sending him out here to do this. I think Cohen has&#8230; It\u2019s been suggested to him that he might want to start doing some interviews, and I\u2019m sure they\u2019re giving him guidelines on things to say, areas to avoid, things like that. So Cohen has this plan to become the new John Dean, win a place in the minds and hearts of the media and historians as the man who brought down Donald Trump. There\u2019s no question this is how Cohen now sees himself, and somebody\u2019s gotten to him and has told him, &#8220;This is your future. This is what you can make happen.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>This guy is an ancillary player all of his life. He\u2019s one of these hangers-on guys who\u2019s thinking if he can get close enough to the real people making things happen that some of it\u2019s gonna rub off on him. He\u2019s one of these guys that would love to be asked for his autograph because he knows famous people, even though he isn\u2019t himself.<\/p>\n<p>So now he\u2019s got this chance, and he doesn\u2019t even have to log on to Twitter or Facebook to do it. He can become the man who brought down Donald Trump. The real goal is in doing that, it will make him rich, book deals, movie deals, speaking fees, and never-ending cable news appearances just like John Dean did. In his exclusive interview with Clinton operative George Stephanopoulos, Cohen merely repeated his lawyer\u2019s scripted statement from his sentencing hearing, which is why I think the lawyers are behind this.<\/p>\n<p>Mueller does not have anything, folks, that will convict Trump on Russia anything, and these campaign payments are not enough to convict in a court of law. But if there is enough pressure in writing the narrative every day in the media, they can create the impression in the minds of Americans that real impropriety has occurred here, the kind of impropriety we do not want in a president of the United States.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s still all about getting Trump\u2019s numbers down into the thirties. Even though he told Stephanopoulos that he accepted all responsibility for his actions, he\u2019s actually blaming Trump for everything! Trump made him do it. Trump asked him to do it. Trump wanted him to do it. And all he wanted to do was impress Trump. Trump is the big alpha male. \u201cI wanted to be big in Donald Trump\u2019s mind. So whatever Trump asked me to do, sure, I was gonna do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Now he\u2019s trying to lay it all off on Donald Trump while being feted and treated as a great, courageous next John Dean type of figure. Repeating the scripted lines from his statement, Cohen said he will not be the villain in Trump\u2019s story. Not gonna happen. He\u2019s not gonna be the villain. That he had been the victim because of his blind loyalty to Trump. He\u2019d covered up Trump\u2019s dirty deeds.<\/p>\n<p>You think those words were screened and approved by the special counsel and the other lawyers involved here? Strangely similar to John Dean\u2019s claim that he was the victim of blind ambition, Richard Nixon\u2019s blind ambition, here is Michael Cohen saying he\u2019s the victim of Trump\u2019s dirty deeds. What we have in Donald Trump is a conservative who does not announce himself as such, a Republican and he got elected and therefore he\u2019s gotta go. And for all the other reasons that we\u2019ve discussed that he\u2019s gotta go.<\/p>\n<p>Even despite all this, I don\u2019t care what you think, I don\u2019t care what you think you\u2019ve heard, what you think you know by virtue of what you\u2019ve read or seen on TV, it is not clear what Donald Trump\u2019s dirty deeds were. Is it a dirty deed to pay off an extortionist? Is it a dirty deed to pay off somebody who has violated a nondisclosure agreement they signed with you, which are common aspects of personal contracts and business contracts every day in this country.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/wxTOBIbEz68\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s nothing sinister about an NDA. So you have somebody, two people that are wanting to openly violate theirs and extort you in the process. And somehow it\u2019s a dirty deed and it\u2019s somehow filthy and in violation of campaign ethics? What about all the Clinton fundraising scandals involving Charlie Trie and the Chinese restaurants in Little Rock and the money orders and the Clinton Foundation and all of this pay-to-play schemes that are not being investigated? You want to talk about dirty deeds.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, I forgot. Donald Trump at one point wanted to build a hotel in Moscow. Trump Tower Moscow. And Cohen was in the middle of it. That\u2019s right. In fact, Cohen had such respect for Trump, that even when the deal went south, Cohen stuck with it sort of as a surprise to Trump to try to make it happen nevertheless. Trump\u2019s only been trying to do Trump Tower Moscow since 2004. But all of a sudden now it becomes a dirty deed.<\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Here\u2019s an Ari Fleischer sound bite, and I meant to play this in the discussion last hour about when the meeting with Trump and the National Enquirer guy, David Pecker, happened. What a name for a guy that runs the National Enquirer! David Pecker. National Enquirer guy. Has there been a better name for a guy that does what he does? At any rate, I made the point that that meeting between Pecker and Trump and Cohen was 2014!<\/p>\n<p>This is the meeting where the National Enquirer offered to buy Karen McDougal\u2019s story that she and Trump had had a romp at the Playboy Mansion or whatever and bury it by not running it, and they\u2019re trying to say, &#8220;That\u2019s an illegal campaign donation!&#8221; But it happened in 2014. Trump wasn\u2019t a candidate. How can it be? So Ari Fleischer was commenting on this today on the Fox News Channel with Bill Hemmer, and he said this about it&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>FLEISCHER: I wish George Stephanopoulos had asked Michael Cohen, &#8220;Are you aware of any payments like this &#8212; hush-money payments &#8212; that Donald Trump made prior to becoming a candidate in June of 2015?&#8221; Because that could establish that there is a personal reason, a family related reason, and I wouldn\u2019t put it past (chuckles) President Trump, frankly, to have entered into such agreements prior to becoming a candidate. There are personal reasons, and that is often the reason that these celebrities enter into these agreements. Again (chuckling), it\u2019s unseemly, it\u2019s not right. The point here is it means it\u2019s up to the people to decide what should be done with Donald Trump, elect him or reelect him, not for prosecutors.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-281746\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/APP-080718-Trump-Media.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/APP-080718-Trump-Media.jpg 640w, https:\/\/www.rushlimbaugh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/APP-080718-Trump-Media-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/>RUSH: Bingo! Bingo! They would not be trying to run anybody else out of office on this stuff. They\u2019ve looked the other way in 268 cases, times members of Congress have paid off women that made allegations against them. Bill Clinton? The media did everything they could to stave off that. But the Clinton impeachment was about lying under oath. It wasn\u2019t about sex, contrary to what everybody thinks. But he\u2019s exactly right here.<\/p>\n<p>Voters decide this, and they already did! Access Hollywood. There isn\u2019t a person that voted for Trump that doesn\u2019t know who he is, who he was. He may be one of the most well-known people to ever run for the presidency. Reality TV host! That\u2019s why some of this stuff so irritates all of them. They\u2019ve tried to construct a system where people like Trump don\u2019t stand a chance. I don\u2019t need to repeat that drill, why they hate him and so forth. Everybody understands that now.<\/p>\n<p>This is actually a good point. The federal election law is very clear. If you have anything that could be seen as a legitimate personal reason for making an expenditure like this, then it will not be called a campaign expense or donation or donation in kind or anything of the sort. If there is a personal reason. The personal reason? &#8220;I don\u2019t want any family to find out about this. That\u2019s why I\u2019m taking the help of the guy Pecker from the National Enquirer.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don\u2019t want my family to find out!&#8221; This 2014. There wasn\u2019t even a campaign to defraud, and it\u2019s not a defrauding. But the most important thing here is Fleischer saying the voters decide this stuff, not Robert Mueller, and not the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York! 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