{"id":28748,"date":"2008-03-21T01:01:01","date_gmt":"2011-05-19T04:05:28","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-05-19T04:05:28","modified_gmt":"2011-05-19T04:05:28","slug":"senator_specter_on_battling_cancer2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2008\/03\/21\/senator_specter_on_battling_cancer2\/","title":{"rendered":"Senator Specter on Battling Cancer"},"content":{"rendered":"
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RUSH: We\u2019re gonna talk with Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter, about his new book. It\u2019s Never Give In: Battling Cancer in the Senate. Senator Specter, welcome to the program. It\u2019s nice to have you back with us here.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Rush, thank you very much for the invitation. It\u2019s a great pleasure to talk to you and your listeners. Thanks.<\/p>\n

<\/a>RUSH: The title of the book is Never Give In: Battling Cancer in the Senate. You were battling more than cancer in the Senate. I\u2019ve read the summary of the book. It\u2019s 11 to 14 pages here. It is incredibly detailed about the process you went through when you were diagnosed. It was lymph cancer. But that was not the first health crisis you had. You had a brain tumor, am I correct about that?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Rush, that\u2019s right. I had a brain tumor. The doctor gave me three to six weeks to live, once. I was really shocked, and I sort of blurted out in the chain of consciousness — it happened back in June of \u201993 — I said, ‘Oh, my. My wife and I were going to go away for the weekend to celebrate our anniversary,\u2019 and the doctor looked at me and said, ‘Go, and have a good time,\u2019 believe it or not, and I thought to myself, Rush, ‘This guy must be crazy.\u2019 I said, ‘Give me my films. I\u2019m going to see another doctor,\u2019 and I had it removed, and it was benign, and I found out that you couldn\u2019t tell for sure until you took it out, froze it, sliced it down, and looked at it under a microscope. So that in telling people this story in my book, Never Give In, I want them to know they sometimes need to get a second opinion and not lose hope until they do so.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What year was the brain tumor?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: That was 1993.<\/p>\n

RUSH: 1993.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Yup.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And here we are 15 years later.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You were given three to six weeks. When was the lymph cancer discovered?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: It was discovered mid-February of 2005.<\/p>\n

RUSH: 2005. Now, that was the same year that Peter Jennings was diagnosed with lung cancer.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And he was going through cancer treatment, chemotherapy at the same time you were.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And I remember, Senator Specter, he made his appearance announcing to his audience on World News Tonight that he had been diagnosed and that he was undergoing treatment. We didn\u2019t know at the time what stage his lung cancer was, but we knew he was going to be getting treatment for it, and he assured the audience he\u2019d be in when he could, but we never saw him again. His disease was devastating. But during the period of time there were people, Ted Koppel, friends of his that would speak to him and somebody came out and quoted him that he had so much admiration for you because you were going through chemo at the same time, and you were at work every day, and he didn\u2019t understand how you could do it.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Well, Rush, I wrote him a note and told him that I was staying on the job and, as tough as it was to drag myself out of bed, I was doing it; I urged him to do the same thing. And he put on his website a thanks for notes that he\u2019d gotten and mentioned me and said that he tried my approach, but he simply couldn\u2019t do it. So he had a tougher time. But I had written to him, and he was a courageous fellow.<\/p>\n

RUSH: My mother had brain cancer and she was on chemo, and it was debilitating for her, too, which is one of the reasons why the subject of your book fascinates me. I want people… When you\u2019re in the midst of your treatment, you have lost all your hair, you\u2019re bald and you\u2019re in the midst of probably what\u2019s the worst time in your chemotherapy, and yet you are at work every day and you\u2019re at work in the Senate where a lot of things are going on. You are a member of the Judiciary Committee plus other committees that you\u2019re on. Would you take people through this? You want to inspire people with this book and tell them to hang in, that the mental attitude is as important here as getting proper medical treatment.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Yeah, that\u2019s right, Rush. I want them to know that it can be done. I know that there are some limits as to what people can do physically, but when it comes to determination, when it comes to a mind-set, I think that a lot can be done if you just are determined to do it — and you are right. I was chairing the Judiciary Committee. We had really tough confirmation hearings. Take the confirmation hearing of Justice Alito, for example. We had a real battle with Senator Kennedy right in the middle of it. It was a day when I wasn\u2019t feeling so hot, which was most days, and Kennedy interrupted the questioning, addressed me as chairman and said, ‘Mr. Chairman, I move we go into executive session to get a subpoena for the records of Alito with respect to the Concerned Alumni of Princeton.\u2019 That was a group which was a little tough on minorities and women. I looked at Kennedy, and I said, ‘Well, Senator Kennedy, if you really were sincere about that, why did you wait to make a grandstand play on national television? Why didn\u2019t you mention it when we were talking in the hall a few minutes ago,\u2019 or later, as I would joke about it, ‘in the Senate gym.\u2019 But of course Kennedy hadn\u2019t been in the Senate gym since the Johnson administration, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughter) Well, but this is the point. You\u2019re in the midst of it, and at that point you\u2019re probably at the worst of the chemo. You had your wits. You had our sense of purpose about you. You were able to muster enough energy. Would you please — I\u2019m just curious about this myself, because I saw my mother and I\u2019ve seen a lot of people. They wake up in the morning, and they feel so bad physically, they just don\u2019t even want to get out of bed. You got out of bed every day. What time did you get out of bed? What time did you get to the Senate? How long were you there? When did you get home? How much sleep a night did you get?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Well, I\u2019ll answer all your questions. I\u2019ve been getting up for a long time at 5:15 to play squash, and I got an automatic alarm clock, which means I gotta go to bed early. But I\u2019d get up and I\u2019d really drag myself to the squash court, and sometimes I couldn\u2019t play more than a couple games. Usually I\u2019d play five or six before, but a couple. Then I\u2019d really drag myself through a shower, go to the office and have some meetings and maybe a hearing and I\u2019d try to duck out midmorning and take a nap. When the votes would come, I\u2019d have an office close to the floor, a so-called hideaway. I\u2019d go vote and come back; do as much resting as I could. In mid-afternoon I\u2019d take another nap, and I had meetings and I had hearings. We had a lot of confirmations. We confirmed Bill Pryor and Janice Rogers Brown and some others, and I\u2019d try to get home early in the evening and be in bed by 8:30 so I could get sleep from 8:30 to 5:30 and get up and start doing it all over again.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I, frankly, am amazed. There are days, Senator, I have a cold and don\u2019t want to do all that. I, you know, mush through it. But a cold is not chemotherapy. I\u2019ve never experienced chemotherapy so I don\u2019t know. I\u2019ve seen it in others, but I don\u2019t know what — other than the nausea and the hair loss — it feels like.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Well, it\u2019s very debilitating. You get it and you\u2019re sort of in a stupor. I got it on Friday afternoon so that I could have a little recuperation time in the next 48 hours, and then I wouldn\u2019t take the train. I was also with my immune system down, I would be driven and I would leave my house early in the morning about seven, drive to Washington. Fortunately, I\u2019m close. I\u2019d get there about 9:45 and take a nap. You just don\u2019t… You feel like doing absolutely nothing, but you know with a little experience that if you stay in bed, you\u2019re going to feel worse. And if you get up, when you have as tough a job as I did, candidly, Kennedy was a great distraction. I wasn\u2019t thinking about myself; I was thinking about how to deal with the Alito confirmation.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, that\u2019s key, isn\u2019t it, because that took your mind off your suffering?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Right. It\u2019s good to be busy, so you don\u2019t think about, frankly, how lousy you feel.<\/p>\n

RUSH: The Alito hearings, those were filled with fireworks, Mrs. Alito running out in tears over something. I think it was Senator Leahy had made some comments, and you were chairing those committee hearings. I remember people were applauding your work then, who knew that you were suffering, knew that you were in the midst of chemotherapy. How long were you being treated and how long did it take from the time you discovered you had lymph cancer, until they told you that either you\u2019re cured or in remission or whatever your current condition is?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Well, just another word about Alito. They were trying to get enough traction, Rush, to filibuster. They felt with a Supreme Court nomination, Kennedy felt he couldn\u2019t filibuster unless he got some traction and if they got him pegged as a member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton, they thought they could do it. They knew we didn\u2019t have 60 votes. We ended up with 58, and they knew we had more than 50. So they were trying to get traction. But to answer your question directly, I was diagnosed mid-February, and I took chemotherapy until near the end of July. On part of those days right when I was in the middle of the worst of it we were having meetings with the president on scheduling Chief Justice Roberts, and then when the Roberts hearings were on, I had almost no hair, and when Alito came up couple months later I had a little bit of hair.<\/p>\n

RUSH: The picture in the book of you with the president when you had no hair, was that the meeting with Roberts that you\u2019re referring to?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: That\u2019s it. That\u2019s the meeting on July 21st. It\u2019s kind of an interesting picture, Rush, as you can see from the picture, the president\u2019s body language is — I sort of joke about it and think that the president might have been thinking, ‘Well, I gotta shake Arlen Specter\u2019s hand, he\u2019s the chairman. They say it\u2019s not contagious, but who knows.\u2019<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) <\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: The way, as you see, he\u2019s sort of leaning the other way. But the president and I have gotten to be good friends over the years. He\u2019s come to Pennsylvania a lot, and when he comes he likes to talk. He invites me to the car or plane and he wanted the Roberts hearings finished. He wanted them started in August, and I had to tell him. I said, ‘Mr. President, you\u2019re lucky you\u2019ve never been a senator. If you bring people back in August, they\u2019re going to be in a foul mood. I need to get Roberts confirmed,\u2019 and after we followed my ideas, he was very pleased.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Senator Specter, we gotta take a brief commercial time-out. We will continue when we come back, his book is Never Give In: Battling Cancer in the Senate. <\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: We are back, Rush Limbaugh, the Excellence in Broadcasting Network, and we are talking with Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. His book is Never Give In: Battling Cancer in the Senate. Senator, one more question about this in our remaining few minutes. I want to touch on just two other things involving your present business. Have you heard from people who have been inspired by your message in the book, or people that you met while you were getting treatment who were having a tougher time than you did and were inspired by what you went through and did?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Rush, I heard from quite a few people just like that, and it\u2019s very gratifying, telling me that they were very pleased to see what I was doing and they were fighting harder themselves. One incident involved a good friend of mine, the husband of one of Joan\u2019s, my wife\u2019s, school girlfriends, Marvin Park; that lives out in Southern California now, and he has lymphoma, and he became very dejected, very morose. He wouldn\u2019t get out of bed, didn\u2019t pay any attention to his dog, which he loved dearly, and we sent him an advance copy of the book. And he read it and later his wife, Harriet, called Joan and said, ‘Marvin read Arlen\u2019s book, and he said, ‘If Arlen Specter can do it, so can I.\u2019 He said, ‘Get me my clothes.\u2019 He got dressed, he walked the dog, and he got out of bed for the first time in weeks,\u2019 and physically he was the same guy before he read the book that he was after he read the book, but the example and the person led him to say, ‘Well, if Arlen can do it, so can I,\u2019 and he got out.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s exactly the purpose in writing the book. That has to be heartwarming for you.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Well, it really is, Rush. When you\u2019re somewhat in the public eye and people know what you\u2019re doing — especially because I had all the exposure during the Roberts and Alito hearings — I wanted to tell the story. It\u2019s a little more open, frankly, than I feel comfortable doing, but it doesn\u2019t have any real meaning or impact, if you don\u2019t let it all hang out there. So when I hear about people responding to it and finding it a little easier to cope, that\u2019s very gratifying.<\/p>\n

RUSH: A couple other things here before we go.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Sure.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I\u2019ve got roughly four and a half, five minutes. What\u2019s the status of important judicial confirmations on nominations sent up by President Bush? I know that there are very few that happen during the final year of a two-term president. Where are we, say, compared to the number of judges you Republicans confirmed for President Clinton in his final year?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Well, we\u2019re way behind for President Bush. In the last two years of Clinton, he confirmed 15 circuit judges, and for President Bush, only six. On district judges, the last two years for Clinton, 54, and the last up \u2019til now, only 37. So we\u2019ve got a long way to go. Rush, we haven\u2019t had one single federal judge confirmed in 2008. We didn\u2019t have a hearing on the circuit judge since between September of 2007 and late February 2008. We\u2019re reviewing our options now to see if we can find some way to exert enough pressure to get a little fairness here.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Who leads that? Is it you, because you\u2019re on Judiciary, is it Senator McConnell? Who do you talk to, Pat Leahy, or do you talk to Harry Reid?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: All of the above. I\u2019ve taken the lead on it, and I wrote Senator Leahy a very tough lawyer letter a couple weeks ago and went to the floor and laid it on the line, and I talked to Senator McConnell, the leader, about our options, and I brought it up with my colleagues. We had lunch on Tuesday, and I even talked to Senator Leahy. Well, I\u2019ve talked to Senator Leahy about it a lot, and I\u2019ve talked to Senator Reid about it. But it\u2019s up to me to take the lead and to be backed up by Mitch McConnell and then to be backed up by the caucus. As I say, we\u2019re weighing very heavily now what we may be able to do. I don\u2019t want to start something, Rush, unless I\u2019m prepared to go through with it. Phil Gramm had a great statement. He said, ‘Never take a hostage you\u2019re not prepared to shoot.\u2019 It was a great statement.<\/p>\n

RUSH: It is. It is. Well, that\u2019s pretty descriptive of what you face.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Well, yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: My final question is… I\u2019m dealing with just a couple of minutes here.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Lot of football fans in this audience. Since the Super Bowl we\u2019ve heard very little about this guy in Hawaii, Matt Walsh, that claims to have videotape of the New England Patriots and the St. Louis Rams walk-through the Saturday before their Super Bowl. What\u2019s the status of that?<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Well, the status of it is that there has been an exchange of correspondence between Walsh\u2019s lawyers and the NFL lawyers. I\u2019ve seen the letters. Walsh\u2019s lawyer let me see them on a promise of confidentiality, and I believe an objective and fair reading of those letters is that the NFL is discouraging Walsh from coming forward.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Really? Because their statements are just exact opposite.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Well, the NFL says they\u2019re trying to encourage them, and I issued the challenge to the commissioner a couple of Saturdays ago, and they put out a Sunday release that they were making substantial progress. Well, we\u2019ve had almost two weeks since that Sunday release, and nothing has happened. I believe those… Listen, I think the NFL has a duty of integrity. They have an anti-trust exemption, which gives them a preferred position. They are role models. If you can cheat in the NFL, you can cheat in college or high school or sixth grade math test. I think ultimately, Rush, if we get enough fire under it, they\u2019re going to have to show those letters — and when they do, they\u2019re going to have to change their tune and let Walsh testify, because those reports are looking pretty strong, but there was filming for the 2002 Super Bowl.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Senator, ten seconds, enough time to thank you for your appearance here. Congratulations on your book. It\u2019s extremely well done, and congratulations on your recovery from the disease. Thank you very much for your time, today.<\/p>\n

SEN. SPECTER: Great talking, Rush. Thank you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You bet.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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