{"id":284865,"date":"2018-09-18T16:10:00","date_gmt":"2018-09-18T20:10:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/?p=284865"},"modified":"2018-09-19T16:19:39","modified_gmt":"2018-09-19T20:19:39","slug":"flashback-1991-rush-on-charlie-rose-debating-clarence-thomas-and-anita-hill","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2018\/09\/18\/flashback-1991-rush-on-charlie-rose-debating-clarence-thomas-and-anita-hill\/","title":{"rendered":"Flashback 1991: Rush on Charlie Rose Debating Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill"},"content":{"rendered":"

RUSH: We\u2019ve been here. We\u2019ve been here before, folks.<\/p>\n

We have been here. Yesterday on this program I cited and shared with you how livid I was back in 1991 when this Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill thing was going on. I made mention of this because I\u2019m feeling the identical sense of anger and outrage now. But there are substantial differences. In 1991, CNN was the only cable news network and this show (and some other local conservative radio talk shows which had begun to spring up) was it.<\/p>\n

\"\"There was no blogosphere. There was no Fox News. There was nothing. This show and other related local radio talk shows were it in terms of conservative opposition, and when I was talking about how angry I felt yesterday, it triggered something in Cookie\u2019s mind. Cookie controls the archive of audio sound bites of this program, not just sound bites we\u2019ve used, but actual sound bites of me. And it triggered something. She went back to our archives and she found in 1991 in October an appearance I made on Charlie Rose.<\/p>\n

It was after this show, by the way. I\u2019ve never been invited back by Charlie Rose and PBS. Not that I\u2019m whining about it. I\u2019m not. It\u2019s just historical fact. I want to play these sound bites for you because what they show is we\u2019ve been here before. It is the same exact playbook. It is the identical thing. Back in 1991, I had to go on TV to refute these clowns. I don\u2019t have to do that now. But back then I did. I was so livid, I can\u2019t tell you. I didn\u2019t know Clarence Thomas, but I knew what this was.<\/p>\n

I knew this was not about sexual harassment with Anita Hill. This was about denying Clarence Thomas a seat on the United States Supreme Court. One of the most easy, instinctive things I have ever done is defend Clarence Thomas. I had people saying to me at the time, “Rush, you\u2019re really way out there. You don\u2019t know the guy.” “I don\u2019t care. I do know the guy. I know plenty of people who know him. I\u2019ve seen him talk. My instincts on this are this is a fine, decent man. I know he\u2019s being railroaded. I know this is a typical, left-wing trick.”<\/p>\n

I had no doubt then; I\u2019ve got no doubt now. Let\u2019s go back. I just want to share this with you for the purposes of demonstrating to people that this is just another page from the playbook, that we\u2019ve been here before, that there\u2019s nothing even really unique about this in terms of Democrat strategy. So it\u2019s October 15, 2001, Charlie Rose\u2019s show on PBS.<\/p>\n

It aired at 11 o\u2019clock at night live on PBS back then. He had me on with the executive director of the New York Urban League, whose name was Harriet Michel. We\u2019re talking about Thomas\u2019 appointment to Supreme Court. Charlie started by saying, “What should the Senate Judiciary Committee have done if somebody comes to their attention and raises the issue of sexual harassment? What should the committee have done?”<\/p>\n

BEGIN ARCHIVE CLIP<\/p>\n

RUSH ARCHIVE: The thing that has to be done is the American system of jurisprudence has to be consistent in focusing. I kept hearing people talking about “the seriousness of the charges.” The seriousness of the charges is irrelevant. The nature of the evidence is what\u2019s relevant. The presumption is always with the accused and just \u2019cause someone comes forth at the last moment and claims that something happened, her accusation cannot be regarded as evidence. And, if there\u2019s nothing to corroborate it, there is no way — just because she charges it — any weight should be given it.<\/p>\n

ROSE: All right, it\u2019s evidence but it doesn\u2019t have corroboration, but — but —<\/p>\n

RUSH: No, it\u2019s not evidence! An accusation is not evidence. It can\u2019t be evidence.<\/p>\n

END ARCHIVE CLIP<\/p>\n

RUSH: It can\u2019t be! An allegation is never evidence, it cannot be evidence — and, notice, back then they didn\u2019t care. It was evidence. It was the seriousness of the charge. They didn\u2019t care about it being corroborated, just like today. Her lawyer is saying, “It\u2019s not her job to corroborate the charge. The charge is enough! The allegation is enough. When we say it, that\u2019s what happened.” That\u2019s their cock-certain, arrogant attitude. “When we say it, it happened, and it\u2019s up to investigators to prove that it didn\u2019t.”<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/p>\n

Why hasn\u2019t the woman come forward before now? Why has she not accepted the invitation to come to the committee? F. Chuck Todd\u2019s out there saying, “Do you people who think that a woman of her age would destroy her life by coming forward like Christine Blasey Ford is now, you don\u2019t understand left-wing…” What do you mean, destroy her life? Has Anita Hill\u2019s life been destroyed or is she become a hero? Anita Hill\u2019s become a heroine! They still make books about her.<\/p>\n

They take something that didn\u2019t happen, they make it look like it did happen, and they make her a hero victim. They\u2019re now trying to say that Anita Hill was actually at the forefront of the #MeToo movement. There has yet to be a shred of evidence that Clarence Thomas did what he was alleged to have done, and yet look what they\u2019ve done with it — and they\u2019re in the process of doing the same thing to Kavanaugh, and I\u2019m afraid we don\u2019t have an Arlen Specter this year.<\/p>\n

Oh! In fact, if you forgot… I got three more of these Charlie Rose sound bites. Hang on. Arlen Specter back in 1991 just took it to Anita Hill. Legally. I don\u2019t mean in an unfair way. He just destroyed her as a witness, and I think it had such a profound impact on him. It\u2019s one of the reasons why he became a Democrat much later on in life. I heard somebody say on Fox that that couldn\u2019t happen today. It was last night. It was last night. Somebody on Fox was saying, “Yeah, there could not be the kind of interrogation of Anita Hill by Arlen Spector in this #MeToo movement.”<\/p>\n

See? So a woman makes an allegation and we cannot probe her as though she is a human being. Arlen Specter ripped Anita Hill apart, demonstrated that a lot of this could not be backed up, had no evidence — and he got creamed for it; don\u2019t misunderstand. But the idea that today we couldn\u2019t do that? Like if this woman were to show up and be interrogated or questioned, we couldn\u2019t do to her what Arlen Specter did to Anita Hill.<\/p>\n

Which means because of the #MeToo movement we pretty much have to go with whatever a woman who claimed to have been abused says. We can\u2019t investigate too much, we can\u2019t probe too much because that then is potentially harming psychologically to the victim and all this.” All of this is part of the plan too. To soften any attempt to get to the truth of these things has been long part of the strategy. Let me go back to the Charlie Rose sound bites. After that bite where I made it plain to Charlie Rose that an allegation is not evidence because it doesn\u2019t have corroboration, Charlie said, “Well, it is evidence. It just doesn\u2019t have corroboration.”<\/p>\n

I said, “No. It is not evidence. It cannot be evidence.”<\/p>\n

BEGIN ARCHIVE CLIP<\/p>\n

RUSH: I think that what\u2019s happened here is that liberals fear the democratic process because people vote against liberal things. Liberals cannot win the White House. When the referendum is conservatism versus liberalism, liberalism loses in landslides. The Supreme Court is the most important political branch of government to liberals. That\u2019s where all of liberalism has found its way into our society and they\u2019ve lost it now and they feel they have no recourse. It\u2019s sheer panic out there, I think, Charlie, and I don\u2019t exaggerate here. I think that they are palpably worried —<\/p>\n

ROSE: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: — that they now no longer have a route to the mainstream of society.<\/p>\n

END ARCHIVE CLIP<\/p>\n

RUSH: Right, and this kept going. The next sound bite here is… Let\u2019s see, what is it? I asked Harriet Michel of the New York Urban League if she believed Anita Hill.<\/p>\n

BEGIN ARCHIVE CLIP<\/p>\n

\"\"RUSH: Do you believe her?<\/p>\n

MICHEL: Do I believe her?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Why do you believe her?<\/p>\n

MICHEL: Yes, I believe her.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Why would you believe her? Can I ask you why you believe her?<\/p>\n

MICHEL: I — I — I believe her — I be —<\/p>\n

RUSH: She offered no evidence, Harriet. There was no —<\/p>\n

ROSE: You asked the question. Let her answer.<\/p>\n

MICHEL: That\u2019s exactly right. I believe that for everybody to make this assumption that Clarence Thomas, the public persona, cannot possibly — under any circumstances, in a room one on one with a female — be gross and be obnoxious is out of their minds.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a minute. What\u2019s dangerous is assuming he did it with no evidence.<\/p>\n

MICHEL: I don\u2019t — I don\u2019t assume that he did it. I believe —<\/p>\n

RUSH: If you believe her, you have to.<\/p>\n

MICHEL: I believe that it\u2019s possible that he did it, and I believe that four —<\/p>\n

RUSH: So we convict him on that?<\/p>\n

MICHEL: — lawyers coming forward —<\/p>\n

RUSH: We convict him on the possibility?<\/p>\n

MICHEL: This wasn\u2019t a trial though!<\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh, it was.<\/p>\n

MICHEL: And the fact that the possibility… I happen to believe there is a cloud that follows him.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Because what?<\/p>\n

MICHEL: I happen to believe it.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Because what?<\/p>\n

MICHEL: Because I don\u2019t think…<\/p>\n

RUSH: She wants there to be a cloud.<\/p>\n

MICHEL: I think that she was a credible —<\/p>\n

RUSH: I think you want there to be a cloud.<\/p>\n

MICHEL: No, I think —<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s what this is all about.<\/p>\n

END ARCHIVE CLIP<\/p>\n

RUSH: No evidence. No reason to believe her. She just chooses to believe her. It\u2019s where we are — exactly where we are here — with the same kind of thinking, the same kind of thing. Well, there\u2019s no reasoning going on here. This is pure politics. None of these people know this woman, I don\u2019t think. (chuckling) You know, before this is all over, we might find out that this woman\u2019s family had something to do with Perkins Coie, which had something to do with the Steele dossier. I mean, anything is possible with this group of people!<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/p>\n

Would you be surprised if this woman was found to have roots by virtue of people she\u2019s known to the Steele dossier and to the effort to get Trump kicked out? Would you be surprised if, after all this shakes out, we found out this woman is actually a resistance activist? I\u2019m not saying so. Although if I wanted to be like a liberal, I could I could make an allegation right here. “I don\u2019t have any evidence but I could start making the claim this woman is a left-wing activist.<\/p>\n

“She\u2019s got ties to the Steele dossier! She\u2019s part of the effort to get rid of Donald Trump and has been from day one.” “You can\u2019t say that!” “Why?” “Because you don\u2019t know it to be true.” “Well, you don\u2019t know that what she\u2019s saying is true, either, but you\u2019re choosing to believe her.” It\u2019s a one-way street with this stuff. So here\u2019s Harriet Michel who doesn\u2019t know Clarence Thomas and look at what she said. There\u2019s a lot of talk-back there.<\/p>\n

But she said, “I believe that for everybody to make this assumption that Clarence Thomas, the public persona, cannot possibly — under any circumstances, in a room one-on-one with a female — be gross and be obnoxious is out of their minds.” Meaning you\u2019d be crazy to assume the guy has any morals. You would be crazy to assume that Clarence Thomas behaves himself. In her world, it\u2019s totally reasonable to think that Clarence Thomas would force himself on women, one-on-one in a room! That\u2019s what she\u2019s running around claiming she believes.<\/p>\n

Is it any different today?<\/p>\n

Here is the final sound bite, and this is basically Charlie Rose and Harriet Michel. Just listen to this. It will be self-explanatory.<\/p>\n

BEGIN ARCHIVE CLIP<\/p>\n

MICHEL: Don\u2019t you think that some men were struck by the fact that if this woman\u2019s charge had prevented, uh, Clarence Thomas from going on the Supreme Court, that that would then, a lot of men interpret that as perhaps encouraging some other women to come forward and make similar charges? Don\u2019t you think if they could get him there and settle this, that means that they\u2019re not as vulnerable? They didn\u2019t feel as vulnerable themselves about similar charges?<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/p>\n

ROSE: Let me disagree with that. I think, Harriet, that this at least — among other things — has raised a consciousness on sexual harassment and therefore it\u2019s not so much getting men getting behind them. But it raised the consciousness, and I suspect that there\u2019s a different kind of conversation taking place in the workplace in America as a result of this.<\/p>\n

END ARCHIVE CLIP<\/p>\n

RUSH: Ah, right, of course was. And that\u2019s Charlie Rose out there saying that this will change the way men view sexual harassment. It didn\u2019t change the way Charlie viewed it. I think CBS had to get rid of him, right? CBS is trying to erase any awareness that Charlie Rose ever worked there! They\u2019re getting rid of all the pictures of him in the lobby and all of that. Yet here he was carrying the water for the left back in the Clarence Thomas days. So you see, my friends, we\u2019ve been here and done that. There isn\u2019t anything new except the players are different and the race is different. Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill were both African-American. Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey Ford both white privilege.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Those sound bites of me on Charlie Rose are 27 years ago, folks. That\u2019s 27 years. And you\u2019ll notice that what I believed and stated back then is identical to today, rock solid because my core is my core. My core beliefs are not calculated daily or weekly or monthly or annually. They are what they are. You\u2019ll also notice that nothing changes with the left. It\u2019s the same things that motivate \u2019em and animate \u2019em and it\u2019s the same strategies and tactics that they use.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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