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RUSH: Here\u2019s Ann in Carrollton, Virginia. Hi, Ann, welcome to the EIB Network.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yes, thank you for taking my call. For weeks you\u2019ve been telling us why we should not vote for McCain because he\u2019s not a true conservative, or Huckabee because he\u2019s not a true conservative, and you base that on their records as senator and governor. What I\u2019d like to hear is why you feel that Romney is a true conservative, because I honestly don\u2019t know a lot of about him. But I base —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Before I answer the question, who are you for?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, to tell you the truth, I\u2019m not totally convinced about any of them. I really have not made up my mind. Honestly I haven\u2019t. But my problem is, when I think of Romney, I think of someone who was elected governor, as he says in the bluest of the blue states, so to me that doesn\u2019t equate with a conservative, and also he forces people to get health insurance, which doesn\u2019t sound like a conservative. When he campaigns in Michigan, he says that when he becomes president, he\u2019s going to pass governor mandates to help the auto industry, and that doesn\u2019t sound like a conservative. So what I\u2019d like to know is if you can tell us a few things he did as governor to show that he is a true conservative.<\/p>\n

RUSH: In the first place, I have never said that he is the one true conservative in the race.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hm-hm.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I haven\u2019t. And, in fact, I recoiled when I heard his $20 billion annual subsidy to the auto industry in Detroit and I said, ‘Jeez, that\u2019s just flat-out pandering.\u2019 My point on all this, Ann, from the get-go, and I even mentioned it today, and it\u2019s an unfortunate position, but not one of these people totally fills the bill.<\/p>\n

CALLER: No. Well, that\u2019s one of Romney\u2019s problems, is really we don\u2019t know what did he do as governor to show us that he\u2019s a conservative? You know, we never hear it. So is there anything that you can tell me that he did as governor to show me he\u2019s a conservative? Honestly I\u2019d really like to know.<\/p>\n

RUSH: There are a couple things, and it depends on the credibility of somebody that, you know, what was their record prior to doing that, what is their record in the real world, as an entrepreneur and a businessman, what occasions are there from that record that you can draw conclusions. He cut taxes in Massachusetts, and he was amazingly able to get that done. He tried fighting this court business where they mandated gay marriage from the Supreme Court without going through the legislature. But, look, what you\u2019re illustrating here is that nobody on our side fits the pure bill. But there are lessers. In fact, one of the lines I used earlier, not on today\u2019s program, but in previous weeks, is this whole Republican primary is going to boil down to who we dislike the least.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hm-hm.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And that\u2019s sad.<\/p>\n

CALLER: So why do you feel that he\u2019s more of a conservative than McCain, based on the record?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh, that isn\u2019t hard. <\/p>\n

CALLER: What record would you have for Romney to show us that? Because I tell you, truthfully I\u2019m not a McCain supporter. So I\u2019m not saying —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Of course not, probably a Huckabee supporter.<\/p>\n

CALLER: (laughter) Well, to tell you the truth I\u2019d like to know more about Ron Paul, because I\u2019m for as little government intervention as we can have.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Enough said. Wherever you go here in this roster of candidates, you\u2019re going to be able to point out ‘not conservative, what he did there is not conservative.\u2019 The one guy that has the least of that is Fred Thompson, that\u2019s what I\u2019ve said, but Fred Thompson was right in there supporting McCain on McCain-Feingold. That\u2019s a red flag. I make my living with my mouth and what comes out of it, and that was a direct assault on what comes out of certain people\u2019s mouths around election times. Once you chip away successfully the First Amendment, it\u2019s easy to do it the next time, second time, third time, fourth time, and 50th time.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hm-hm. Well, maybe, when you get a chance, you could inform us a little more about Romney\u2019s record.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, sure, I\u2019d be happy to. People have been asking me to go down every one of these guy\u2019s records and do A-B — that\u2019s not what I do here. I don\u2019t have Romney\u2019s record in front of me. Let me give you this. You mentioned McCain. I don\u2019t see the left-wing media propping up Romney like they are propping up McCain. I don\u2019t see them calling Romney a maverick, and the definition of a maverick is one who constantly goes against his party. McCain is a maverick, and he is loved and adored for that and he gets away with the straight talk stuff because, to them, the straight talk is ripping his own party, and ripping his own president, and it got him fawning press coverage. I haven\u2019t seen any of that said about any of these people. Well, maybe Huckabee to a certain extent but the press and the Drive-Bys are trying to destroy Romney; they\u2019re trying to destroy Fred Thompson; they\u2019re trying to destroy Rudy. If you look at who they\u2019re propping up, absent a list or a record of these guys, there are certain indications that you can get. The press is ignoring Ron Paul. That should also tell you something; they don\u2019t consider him to be a serious contender for the ultimate prize. <\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Let me speak generally here. She wanted to know, ‘Well, you tell me what\u2019s conservative about Romney? What is his record?\u2019 and, of course, I\u2019ve not said Romney… She accused me of saying Romney is the only true conservative in the race. I haven\u2019t said that because there isn\u2019t one. But there are some in the race who are trying to destroy conservative while saying they\u2019re conservative, and they\u2019re trying to redefine it. I\u2019m telling you, I\u2019m not going to sit by and just shut up while that happens. There are other people who are not conservative down the line, but they\u2019re not trying to destroy conservatism and they\u2019re certainly not trying to redefine it totally to fit them, but there are those in the race who are. So let me speak generally, here. In order to have a change of heart on issues or a real conversion — because every one of these guys has had a liberal position or more at some point in their past, and they\u2019re all out there saying they\u2019ve changed their minds. Romney\u2019s changed his mind. McCain says (impression), ‘Well, I get it now, Limbaugh. I get it! I gotta do enforcement! (grumbling) I gotta do the borders, and then we\u2019ll make \u2019em legal. How\u2019s that?\u2019 And then, of course, Huckabee wanted to bring \u2019em all in and give them health care and welfare and Medicare, and now he wants to kick \u2019em all out. <\/p>\n

So in order to have a genuine change of heart, a genuine conversion, you have to admit — at least I think you do — that you were wrong about your prior view. If you lead the effort — if you LEAD it, if you lead the effort — to grant amnesty to illegal aliens and now claim that you didn\u2019t, how can you be believed when you say that you now believe in securing the border first? You gotta go back and remember. I understand a lot of people that I\u2019ve talked to are McCain supporters and don\u2019t care about that. They want to beat Hillary, or it\u2019s the war on terror, or what have you. All this stuff is irrelevant to them. But if you lead the effort — and you not only lead the effort, you lead the effort to keep it quiet; you lead the effort to make sure nobody knows what\u2019s going on in the amnesty bill — and then when you say that the amnesty bill wasn\u2019t amnesty because we\u2019re going to collect the $5,000 fine from these people and we\u2019re going to try to register them all in one day? This is a bunch that couldn\u2019t even get Katrina right in five months, and we\u2019re going to rectangle all the illegals in one day? This is poppycock, balderdash, folderol! It\u2019s flummery. How am I supposed to sit here and accept that a real conversion has taken place, if you lead the effort to grant amnesty to illegal aliens, and now claim that you didn\u2019t do that. <\/p>\n

Also, if you claim to be for the FairTax today but you were a net tax increaser in the past, how can you be believed as actually wanting to eliminate the income tax and replace it with a national sales tax? If you can\u2019t admit what your record was as governor, if you have to say in answer to the question, ‘Were you a net tax increaser?\u2019 ‘We built roads,\u2019 it\u2019s a deflection. Look, I say this because the best we can do here, folks, is to try to measure the candidate\u2019s record and recent comments, and you have to judge whether what they\u2019re saying today is expedient or serious. Let\u2019s take abortion, for example, shall we? Romney was pro-abortion. He now says he was wrong. Says he was for it when he ran for governor. But he talks about the moment he changed his mind and why he changed his mind. He doesn\u2019t claim to have been ‘misunderstood.\u2019 He doesn\u2019t claim to say that he was pro-life. He doesn\u2019t say, ‘Well, I never was pro-choice. I have always been pro-life.\u2019 He doesn\u2019t try to obfuscate or cloud his record. He comes out and apologizes. You have to judge whether that\u2019s a real conversion. It\u2019s up to you as a voter, but it\u2019s far easier to make that judgment when he says, ‘I made a mistake. I was wrong. Here\u2019s why and how and when I changed my mind,\u2019 and when he doesn\u2019t say, ‘Look, you\u2019re misunderstanding me.\u2019 He\u2019s not saying that. <\/p>\n

The other candidates are saying (McCain impression), ‘You misunderstood. It wasn\u2019t amnesty. It\u2019s different with amnesty! Quit lying about it.\u2019 Or: What about the fact you\u2019re a net tax increaser? ‘We built roads. We built schools.\u2019 You try to make the best judgment you can. Here\u2019s the thing: All of us who are steadfastly trying to maintain a conservative, genuine conservative identity of the Republican Party, we\u2019ve been lectured to forget about Ronald Reagan, and we have been lectured to forget about conservatism. We\u2019re told it\u2019s time to rewrite things, to adopt some new, revolutionary, adaptive thinking that takes those principles and applies them to the issues of today. Now all of what we\u2019re told — lectured to forget about Reagan, forget about conservatism, understand it\u2019s a new day and there\u2019s a new role for government, new issues, all of this — is intended to ease the way for a McCain or a Huckabee. Romney, Rudy, Thompson supporters don\u2019t talk this way for the most part. Romney, Rudy, and Thompson people are not telling us to shut up. They\u2019re not telling us that we\u2019re causing problems. They try to argue that their guy is the best when comparing their records and speeches to a true conservative template. <\/p>\n

Whether they\u2019re convincing or not is another thing, but that\u2019s what\u2019s going on. Rudy, McCain, and Thompson are trying to say, ‘We are going to continue the conservative tradition.\u2019 The other two guys are saying, ‘We need to rewrite it. It\u2019s old hat. We need to let go of it. We got new issues.\u2019 Another example: Rudy does not claim to have been anything about pro-abortion. He\u2019s not saying, ‘Well, yeah, I was pro-abortion, but I was a liberal in New York. I had to be to get elected.\u2019 He\u2019s not even saying that. He doesn\u2019t even run around making excuses for it. There\u2019s something admirable about that. We got other guys making excuses for their positions or telling us that we\u2019re misunderstanding their positions, or that they never were what we think they are. Rudy is not doing that. But he says that he will appoint conservative judges to deal with the issue. Agree or not, that\u2019s what he says. We do the best we can here, folks. There\u2019s no litmus test here can get applied, because none of these people would fit it all. So we do the best we can in figuring it out. Then you have to ask yourself, ‘What can the president really do about abortion? He can lead, change minds and hearts, try and reduce the number that would take place.\u2019<\/p>\n

By the way, that\u2019s happening. But legally, in terms of Roe vs. Wade there\u2019s only one thing a president can do, and that\u2019s appointment to the Supreme Court, and Rudy says he\u2019s going to appoint guys that would do it. McCain… Now, this is really a stark contrast, and I want you to listen to this. McCain says (impression), ‘Look Limbaugh, I\u2019m pro-life! I\u2019ve always been pro-life. You can\u2019t say that\u2019s not true. That\u2019s always been the case. I\u2019ve always been pro-life!\u2019 Well, what did he do to advance his pro-life belief? He joined liberal Democrats in filing a brief in the Supreme Court against the ability of the Wisconsin Right to Life committee to run ads about life and abortion prior to an election. This is above and beyond McCain-Feingold! He actually filed his own brief in the Supreme Court against the ability of Wisconsin Right to Life committee to run ads about life and abortion prior to an election. <\/p>\n

‘I\u2019ve always been pro-life, though, Limbaugh! You can\u2019t say that\u2019s not true!\u2019 <\/p>\n

I\u2019m not saying it\u2019s not true. Where\u2019s the leadership on it? It\u2019s one thing to say it, then you stand in the way of pro-life people trying to get their truth out in an election? And then you tell us you\u2019re going to appoint judges that will take care of it? We do the best we can, folks. We look at what they say versus what they do, what they say they\u2019ve said versus what they are saying. We do the best we can. That\u2019s not to get into the Gang of 14. That\u2019s another story in itself. Senator McCain wants it both ways on pro-life. Rudy doesn\u2019t. Rudy\u2019s not denying highs pro-choice. But he also says he hates abortion, and will do what he can to stop it appointing judges. McCain says he\u2019s pro-life, and stands in the way of people who are pro-life, trying to impact an election. He wants it both ways. Why did he file that brief? Maybe it\u2019s to be consistent with McCain-Feingold. Who knows? Why did he do it? We do the best we can in sorting this stuff out.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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