{"id":28132,"date":"2008-01-15T01:01:01","date_gmt":"2011-05-19T04:25:04","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-05-19T04:25:04","modified_gmt":"2011-05-19T04:25:04","slug":"rush_and_newt_on_conservatism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2008\/01\/15\/rush_and_newt_on_conservatism\/","title":{"rendered":"Rush and Newt on Conservatism"},"content":{"rendered":"<section>\n<p>RUSH: Newt Gingrich, nice to have you with us on the program. Sorry we had the problem establishing contact with you.<\/p>\n<p>GINGRICH: Ah, it\u2019s great to be with you. How are you doing?<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: I\u2019m fine and dandy. We need to straighten this out, because from what you\u2019ve said since Sunday, I don\u2019t think we\u2019re that far apart on things, but when I heard you say the Reagan era is over, and then you confirmed that again today on Fox, this morning, I had a reaction to that that I wanted to explain to you, because I don\u2019t think the Reagan era is anything other than conservatism. And I don\u2019t think conservatism is over. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s finished.<\/p>\n<p>GINGRICH: Well, no, look, we\u2019re old friends and we\u2019ve been in a lot of good fights on the same side for a long time. If you mean by Reaganism, conservatism as a philosophy, it\u2019s not only not over, it is timeless, it is enduring, and it is the core organizational principles for a successful country. So I couldn\u2019t agree with you more.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Why is it abandoned then? Why is it not to be found in our campaign except with maybe one candidate?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/live-rush-limbaugh.pantheonsite.io\/wp-content\/uploads\/Rush_and_Newt_on_Conservatism.Par.89380.ImageFile.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"177\" class=\"alignright\"\/>GINGRICH: I think a couple reasons, and this is part of what I was trying to get at. I don\u2019t know how you feel about this, but I think people who try to use Reagan as a mantra rather than as a mentor make a huge mistake. When somebody stands there and prattles on, says, &#8216;I\u2019m really for Reagan. I really love Reagan,\u2019 you say, &#8216;Fine, so what would you do about our energy policy?\u2019 And I tend to agree with you, there are sound, free market, incentive-based entrepreneurial models that will fix almost everything that\u2019s wrong in this country today. But I don\u2019t hear these guys out there saying that. And I think we need, in 2008, the same kind of commitment to solving problems &#8212; and this is the one place where maybe you and I do have a slight disagreement here, but I just find it very intriguing, because Reagan, back in 1966, when he was first running for governor, made the case that it is the job of candidates for election to think through how to solve problems. <\/p>\n<p>Reagan gave a speech on the creative society. He said, &#8216;Public officials are elected primarily for one purpose, to solve public problems.\u2019 Now, that\u2019s what I was trying to get at. We need a 2008 agenda that is as bold for us as Reagan was in 1975 with CPAC. We need a willingness to be either for a flat tax as an optional approach or something like the FairTax. We need a willingness to say, &#8216;If you\u2019re really serious about getting energy independence, how fast can we start building nuclear power in a big way?\u2019 We need a willingness to break out of the bureaucracy, whether it\u2019s the education bureaucracy that\u2019s failing in Detroit, or frankly the Department of Education bureaucracy that\u2019s failing in Washington. I think there are a number of steps we can take that suddenly become twenty-first century conservatism with twenty-first century solutions. That\u2019s why I wrote Real Change. I wanted to put an entire book full of ideas that allow people to look and realize that we have, from Social Security personal savings accounts to abolishing the capital gains tax, to an entire array of changes, including taking on the problems of places like Detroit, which I think are symbols of how government destroys the future for its own citizens.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Well, precisely. But in the litany that you just went through, the one thing that was missing, to me, and the one thing that I most took from Ronald Reagan, was that he understood that it\u2019s the people who make this country work, not politicians, not elected officials. They get in the way. The thing about Reaganism that\u2019s inspiring to me is that he went and told people, &#8216;Look, this you can do. We are America, shining city on a hill,\u2019 and all. He motivated; he was inspirational. He had three legs to his stool. He was going to beat the communists in the Cold War, he was going to cut taxes, and rebuild the military. He kept it very simple and delivered on all three things. But he led a movement, Newt. Every speech he made he was telling people what conservatism is. We don\u2019t have that anymore. We\u2019ve got people running away from it. And when you say that the Reagan era is over, people are going to get &#8212; the Democrats never say the era of FDR is over, that the Great Society is over. They never say that the war on poverty is over. We never hear about the Churchill era being over. What replaced Reaganism if it\u2019s over? Nothing has.<\/p>\n<p>GINGRICH: That\u2019s right. I think the challenge is, Rush, and maybe you and I just disagree, I think the challenge is for our generation to come up with a platform that is as bold, a set of solutions that are as bold, as Reagan was in 1979-1980. Reagan didn\u2019t go around and say, here\u2019s what Eisenhower would have done. He didn\u2019t go around and say here\u2019s what Goldwater would have done. He went around and said, look, here are the core, unchanging principles. Freedom works, bureaucracy strangles, lower taxes give you more freedom and give you more choices, you\u2019re better at creating jobs than government is, and he walked through a series of things like this, and then he turned those into very specific, very practical programs. And maybe part of what I was trying to suggest on Sunday is, and, again, this is why I wrote Real Change and this is why I spent the last few months trying to build American Solutions as a real movement &#8212; and I don\u2019t mean this as an attack on these guys, they\u2019re all hardworking, they all mean well &#8212; but I don\u2019t sense any of these candidates out there right now have a firm and clear grip in the way that Reagan did in \u201979-\u201980. You knew by then, because he had matured since the 1964 speech, he\u2019d had 16 years to think this through, and he really had a program, in working with Ed Fullner at Heritage and others, he really developed a momentum that significantly moved America back towards a more conservative society and away from where Johnson and Carter and the welfare state had tried to take us.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: No question about it. By the way, when I say Reaganism and we need to go back to it, I\u2019m not talking about reliving the eighties. I\u2019m talking about applying the existing core principles of conservatism because they work every time they\u2019re tried, to the existing problems that we have today. Now, you said on Stephanopoulos\u2019 show on Sunday &#8212; I\u2019m going to have to paraphrase because I don\u2019t have the transcript in front of me &#8212; but you said something, if you were a candidate, I think you were speaking as a candidate, &#8216;I need to find a way to see to it you don\u2019t need as much home heating oil.\u2019 That sounds like the way liberals talk to people, &#8216;I\u2019m going to find a way you don\u2019t need so much home heating oil.\u2019 And my reaction to that, was, where\u2019s the concept of growth? Conservation is all well and good, but it\u2019s not going to grow us anything and it\u2019s not going to expand the economy. Plus, all this environmental stuff related to climate change is a bit of a hoax and everybody is jumping on board this bandwagon. Senator McCain is making it a central part of his campaign, and all these guys seem to want to use the offices of Big Government to make people think that they don\u2019t have to do anything for themselves. They have to sit around and just wait for these problems to be solved and things are going to be hunky-dory, and &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>GINGRICH: Let me stick with the one you just mentioned because it\u2019s an important one. We have a section called The Platform of the American People, and these are all ideas, by the way, that have a majority Democrat, majority Republican, and majority of independent support. We say flatly, entrepreneurs are more likely to solve America\u2019s energy environmental problems than bureaucrats. If we use technology, innovation, and incentives, we do not need to raise taxes to clean up our environment. We talk about the notion, for example, and I don\u2019t know if you\u2019d agree or not, but we support giving tax credits to companies that can cut carbon emissions as an incentive to cut pollution. We then go on to say that we ought to build more nuclear power plants; we go on to talk about the idea of developing more oil refineries in the United States, and we also say that we ought to look seriously at drilling for oil offshore and lay off the notion that it\u2019s a little bit irrational for us to be relying on Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran and Russia while blocking ourselves from even knowing whether or not offshore we have enough oil and natural gas not to need to rely on these guys. If you look at the Platform of the American People in here, I\u2019ll bet you will agree with 95% of it.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: I probably would, but the thing about dependence on foreign oil, there are a lot of myths about that. Our number one importer, we import most from Canada. Number two is Mexico. We\u2019re not totally dependent on Venezuela or the Saudis. There\u2019s so many myths about this, the carbon mess. Newt, this country is being sold down the river on a hoax! Carbon dioxide, you and I exhale it. There\u2019s no way we can cut that back. It\u2019s not a pollutant. This is a mechanism whereby liberals want to grow government and have people with less freedom, and I don\u2019t hear freedom or inspiration being talked about in this campaign. That\u2019s what Reaganism is to me, and it\u2019s not being discussed. We have too many Republicans running away from it, as though they are afraid of it. He won two landslides. It led you to capturing the House of Representatives in a huge landslide, and everybody wants to abandon it and apply policy today based on the liberals setting the table. <\/p>\n<p>So we\u2019re reacting to what liberals want to do. If they say we got an energy problem, okay, we have to admit that and come up with a better plan instead of telling the American people, &#8216;Look, oil is the engine of freedom. It is and always will be, we\u2019re not running out of it, get used to it. The price of gas has gone up $2.80 in 40 years. Stop complaining.\u2019 Instead, we want to respond to all these complaints, because the liberals do. We\u2019re trying to out-liberal liberals. We got candidates thinking they can win the presidency by picking off a couple liberals in New Hampshire, a couple liberals in Pennsylvania, California. That\u2019s not the way Reagan did this. You go to the country and you tell the American people they\u2019re the ones that make it work. You tell \u2019em how great they can be, that they\u2019re better than they even know they are. None of this is in our campaign right now, and it\u2019s frustrating as hell.<\/p>\n<p>GINGRICH: Well, listen, I agree with you, it\u2019s frustrating. I think we ought to be much more aggressive in taking \u2019em on directly, and one of the places I take them on directly is what government has done to destroy Detroit and to cripple Michigan. You\u2019re having a primary today in a state which is having an artificial recession caused by the state legislature and the governor raising taxes and driving business out of state.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: And destroying the auto industry. Newt, there are a couple people in this campaign, if they win, California is just an example of what this whole country is going to end up being.<\/p>\n<p>GINGRICH: I think that\u2019s exactly right. Part of what I\u2019m worried about, I\u2019m very clear about this in Real Change, is that I am very worried about the degree to which if you look at Sacramento and you look at Albany, you have cities where the governors preside but the interest groups govern. And the truth is, Arnold Schwarzenegger lost his effort to try to change California when the unions beat him in the series of initiatives.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Yep.<\/p>\n<p>GINGRICH: And, as a result, he has since basically compromised with the people who beat him.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Gotta take a quick break. Can you hang on for a couple more minutes? If not, no big deal.<\/p>\n<p>GINGRICH: No, but listen, I\u2019ll be glad to come back sometime. I\u2019d love to keep talking with you. Thanks.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Does that mean you\u2019re going or staying?<\/p>\n<p>GINGRICH: I\u2019ve gotta run, unfortunately, but I\u2019ll give you a call back.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Thanks for the time. <\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Thanks to Newt Gingrich for joining us today. Look, folks, I want to tell all the rest of you out there that are just getting in on this, the reason that we don\u2019t cite Eisenhower &#8212; you know, you don\u2019t hear us talking, &#8216;We need to go back to the Ike era.\u2019 And we never say we need to go back to the Nixon era. We never say we need to go back to the Ford era. We don\u2019t cite those three because they were not consistent, they were not principled conservatives in the way Reagan was. The mistake people are making, I think they think that people like me are worshiping a cult of personality with Ronald Reagan when, in fact, those of us who view Reagan the way I do stress conservative principles and the success that comes with it. It\u2019s fine and dandy to come up with scores of proposals, and to have policy this and policy that for dealing with various issues, but that only scratches the surface. A list of policies to take to the American people without a core principle underpinning to justify those policies and explain why they will work, is senseless. To get into a policy contest with the Democrats, okay, here\u2019s their health care plan; well, here\u2019s ours, and we end up reacting to what theirs is. <\/p>\n<p>We think we gotta come up with a health care plan because they are saying we need health care, universal coverage. Rather than argue the merits of their proposal, we make the mistake of running around, coming up with an alternative that has a little conservatism in it, but it really is nothing more than an attempt to stay in the game with the rules and the terms defined by the Democrats and the liberals. And frankly, this is what the campaign has been, and it\u2019s frustrating as all get out to me. You can\u2019t find one shred of conservatism in the amnesty bill, for example. There wasn\u2019t one conservative point, philosophy in that at all. It was pure 100% liberalism. The Democrats were engaging in the amnesty bill to destroy the Republican Party; and Republicans, for some blind reason, were going along with it. A laundry list of policies, folks, without a fundamental theme is just that, a long list of policies. Reagan wasn\u2019t a policy wonk. He was an idea guy. <\/p>\n<p>Policies and ideas are two different things. Policies emanate from government. Ideas are what you take to people, and they hear and process the ideas, and then things happen, and the American people make things happen. Capitalism, the American people engaging in commerce, that\u2019s the single greatest agent of change in this country, not what happens in Washington. Well, they can change things, but it\u2019s not great. Nobody\u2019s out there saying we should continue to fight the Cold War and the Soviets. But we do have another war, and we can\u2019t even get everybody to admit that. We\u2019ve got a war against militant jihadists of the Islamofascist stripe. The era, the Reagan era, is not over because conservatism is not over. If the Reagan coalition is dead, what replaced it? Somebody tell me that. Nothing has replaced it and that\u2019s why so many people are scratching their heads, why so many people are a little nervous because there isn\u2019t any real leadership out there that causes people, inspires people to get behind it, go rah-rah, and make certain things happen. That\u2019s what\u2019s missing. Reaganism is leadership. Reaganism is conservatism. It\u2019s not a personality cult. <\/p>\n<p>Vincent in Rhode Island, great to have you on the program, sir, thank you for calling.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Rush, this is a tremendous honor. I\u2019ve been a fan for &#8212; a big conservative raised in this liberal state here. I just wanted to comment that I think what Newt &#8212; I think he kind of means that, I don\u2019t think Reaganism is dead as much as it needs to evolve maybe to encompass some of today\u2019s issues that weren\u2019t around back in the day, you know, some of the things that we\u2019re going through today.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Wrong. Wrong. They\u2019re always around.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Oh, they\u2019re always &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: The biggest enemy, the biggest enemy we face in this country is liberalism.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Oh, definitely.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Conservatism is the answer to it. The second biggest enemy we face is ignorance. It\u2019s the most expensive thing we pay for in this country. Conservatism fixes ignorance. We have different events happening, but we don\u2019t have to adapt conservatism. Do you hear the liberals talking about, &#8216;Well, you know, the era of liberalism is over. We\u2019ve gotta adapt.\u2019 They talk about maybe appealing to the values of voters after they lose an election, but they don\u2019t change anything, and we never hear \u2019em talking about it. Nobody ever suggests that they do. We\u2019re always being told, &#8216;Abandon this Reagan stuff, Rush, it\u2019s old hat.\u2019 It\u2019s not old hat. It\u2019s freedom.<\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: This is Stephanie in Columbus, Georgia. Hi, Stephanie. Welcome.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Hi, Rush. How are you?<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Fine, thank you.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Good. I want to tell you, I was in the car and I was listening to your conversation with Newt, and it got me so cranked up. I think that\u2019s what people need to hear. Everybody\u2019s too &#8216;middle\u2019 right now. I agree that we\u2019re trying to appease liberals and just kind of step over to the edge a little bit to &#8216;let\u2019s appease everybody,\u2019 and that\u2019s the wrong direction, and what you said I feel like is exactly right. It sounded presidential. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: (laughing)<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: It\u2019s what people need to hear. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, it\u2019s dead on.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: I appreciate that. You\u2019re very kind, and I appreciate that very favorable review.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Hey, let me ask you one thing, if it\u2019s okay.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Sure.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: I don\u2019t know a whole lot. I mean, I follow this campaign. I follow politics with my son for several years now, but I don\u2019t know really a whole lot. I\u2019m totally against Hillary. I don\u2019t really want a woman president anyway. Maybe Condi Rice is someone I would consider, but I don\u2019t know a whole lot about this Obama guy. What do you know about this?<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: I know all I need to know about Obama. Obama would wreck the country. He\u2019s a liberal!<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: He\u2019s way out there.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: This stuff is not&#8230; He\u2019s a perfectly nice guy, and I\u2019m sure that he\u2019s well-intentioned, and I\u2019m sure that he believes what he believes, but he\u2019s just wrong. There\u2019s not a dime\u2019s worth of difference, policy-wise, between him or Hillary, or Edwards. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: They\u2019re all liberals! We know what liberals are going to do. They\u2019re gonna raise taxes. They\u2019re going to take away your freedom. They\u2019re going to put thermostats in your house and control them from the utility company. They\u2019re going to tell you what car you can and can\u2019t drive. They\u2019re going to tell you what food you can and can\u2019t eat.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Oh, yeah.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: They\u2019re going to take away liberty under the guise of protecting you and making you safe and secure. I don\u2019t care where he went to school. I don\u2019t care who his parents are. I don\u2019t care about any of that stuff. It doesn\u2019t matter to me.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Right. He is what he is.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: He\u2019s a liberal! <\/p>\n<p>CALLER: Right. <\/p>\n<p>RUSH: He\u2019s a Big-Government liberal. He doesn\u2019t trust the individual to make the right decisions in life to enjoy it. He believes that the central problem in America is &#8216;inequality,\u2019 like all liberals believe, and their solution to inequality is not raise people up, but go punish the achievers. Screw that! Achievement needs to be motivated, inspired, and rewarded, not punished! That\u2019s all I need to know about Obama. <\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Greg in San Antonio, you\u2019re next, great to have you here.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: What in the cornbread hell is wrong with Newt Gingrich? Did I just hear him say cutting carbon emissions?<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: You heard him say that, yes.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: I mean, I thought for years that this man was the anointed leader of the movement, and I gotta wonder where the hell he\u2019s coming from.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Well, that, I think, in the call, that\u2019s what fired me up, that\u2019s when the blood started circulating. I\u2019ll tell you, look, I don\u2019t know how to &#8212; I didn\u2019t have a chance to ask him &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>CALLER: That was the only thing I picked up on, and I heard it, and I said, &#8216;Has he been listening, has someone been talking to him?\u2019 What in the world is going on, Rush? I gotta believe that &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: No, I\u2019ll tell you what &#8212; look. Here\u2019s what it is. This is a guess. I\u2019m going to tell you, it\u2019s the same thing, the same story I just told you about the auto industry. The American people are customers. And the American people want cars that don\u2019t pollute, and they want cars that get good mileage. That\u2019s understandable. But it\u2019s rooted in the fact that they\u2019ve been sold and they have purchased a bill of goods on a climate change hoax to the point that they think the car they\u2019re buying is going to save the planet rather than being something they genuinely want. Okay, you look at a guy like Newt or anybody like him, he looks out, he surveys the American people, &#8216;Wow, these people are really buying the global warming stuff,\u2019 and they\u2019re voters. And democracy happens. If a majority of people are made to believe that global warming is being caused by them, and you have politicians that want to get elected by them, then you respond to what those people think, instead of telling them how wrong they are and trying to educate them. This is what Newt Gingrich did, starting in the 1980s. <\/p>\n<p>I haven\u2019t changed. I have remained rock-ribbed steady in my beliefs, principles, conservatism, and other things. But politicians look out and they see people buying this stuff, and they say, &#8216;Okay, well, I better come up with a carbon reduction proposal,\u2019 because this is what people care about. I\u2019m not saying I pander to people, but politicians do. They\u2019ll say whatever they have to to get elected. If a majority of people think that the sky is green, the politicians are going to tell them they\u2019re right somehow, rather than educate \u2019em. It\u2019s a really frustrating thing. Now, I can\u2019t compare myself to politicians, Mr. Snerdley, because getting an audience and keeping it is different than getting votes. The countryside is strewn with the carcasses of media people who thought they could get elected to anything. I have no desire to get elected to anything, I don\u2019t want to run. I don\u2019t want to ask anybody for a dime if I were to campaign. But that\u2019s beside the point. I\u2019m just telling you, back to Reaganism. Back to conservatism. Conservatism doesn\u2019t bend and shape. It remains rock steady, and it tells people what is. But they\u2019re just &#8212; I don\u2019t know. Guts are in short supply on the American political scene these days. Sad thing to note, but it seems to be true.<\/p>\n<p>END TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>*Note: Links to content outside RushLimbaugh.com usually become inactive over time.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>RUSH: Newt Gingrich, nice to have you with us on the program. 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