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RUSH: Greg in Port Ludo, Washington. Nice to have you on the program.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Libertarian dittos, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, thank you. Thanks very much.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Long-time listener. I live in Washington. I spent most of my life in California, 31 years for an oil company, 18 years running a refinery. We didn\u2019t produce gas, but we did produce lube oil and diesel. I know you say it all the time and everyone else says it, we haven\u2019t built a new refinery in 30 years because of the permitting process, which is true. But even if you could solve that problem, I\u2019m sure you, your listeners, and my family members, no one wants a refinery in their community. When I worked at the refinery, the only ones that wanted us there were the employees and they didn\u2019t even want to live near the refinery. So I guess my question is, if we found a crude supply a mile from your house, would you be agreeable to us building a refinery there?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, yeah. Absolutely.<\/p>\n

CALLER: You would?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Sure. I know it\u2019s not going to happen. I live on an island. But I understand the point. You\u2019re basically saying there\u2019s no public will to do one even if we had no restrictions in getting it done?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Even if prices doubled, I can tell you I used to talk to the neighbors, talk to the community, and people move in next to a refinery and then three months later come in and say, &ldquo;What do you do?&rdquo; And then they go, &ldquo;Oh, can these fumes be harmful to my family?&rdquo; And then they want to you leave. And it\u2019s difficult.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I have to tell you something. You know, I do a lot of flying, and I just last weekend, I flew to Los Angeles, and I\u2019m always amazed when I do this, because I keep hearing about the overpopulation. I flew over west Texas. I saw nothing out there until we got to El Paso. I flew over, you know, you got the deserts, in Arizona, New Mexico, you\u2019ve got — I saw it all. I said there\u2019s so much space to do this stuff, where nobody is near. You\u2019d have to build a town for the people that work there to live there, but —<\/p>\n

CALLER: It doesn\u2019t work that way, because that\u2019s true if you\u2019re making widgets. But crude oil refinery needs crude oil and that\u2019s why they\u2019re near the water or, if they\u2019re landlocked like in California, they\u2019re near a continuous supply of crude. Because how else would you get the crude to the refinery?<\/p>\n

RUSH: It\u2019s called pipeline. But then you got other environmental problems. Okay, so what you\u2019re saying is it\u2019s impossible?<\/p>\n

CALLER: It is. I really believe — I\u2019m 64 years old — that we will not build any refineries even if crude prices double, gasoline prices double, I just think it\u2019s impossible at this point.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, wait a second. You gotta explain something to me, Greg.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Sure.<\/p>\n

RUSH: These refineries that we have now, they\u2019re old. How do you refurbish one of these things? You have to shut it down, right?<\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: At some point are the existing refineries going to just fail, we\u2019re going to have to rebuild them where they are?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, you know, as alone as you\u2019re taking a refinery and fixing it and not expanding anything, the permitting process is pretty easy. But if you make any changes to the process at all, even if it\u2019s through a benefit for the environment — and I found that out, it\u2019s almost impossible.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I understand that. I understand. That\u2019s why Texaco used to do all these commercials with Bambi running around little pools of oil to show it was okay out there.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I was shocked — I think you said it or someone else said it, 12% of the finished product coming into our country now is coming from refineries outside the United States.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Right. We\u2019re — I was just going to say, I have said that, and we\u2019re going to end up importing more gasoline, so we\u2019re going to be doubly vulnerable. We\u2019re already importing over half the oil, and now we\u2019re going to be — if we continue to grow and become productive as a country, we\u2019re going to need gasoline, and we\u2019re going to have to — even for your little hybrid, folks, it\u2019s going to need gasoline out there, we\u2019re going to become a net importer of gasoline at some point.<\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s right. And I agree with that. But, anyway, sure a pleasure talking to you and from a Libertarian in Washington state, made up mostly of Democrats, I feel alone out here.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I understand. But you\u2019re never alone as long as you have EIB.<\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s right. I\u2019m a 24\/7 member.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I appreciate that. That\u2019s great. I really do. I have to run here, but thanks so much for the call. I appreciate it. I hadn\u2019t thought of that, that one aspect of building a refinery. I had not thought of that. It very rarely happens out there, Greg, when a caller introduces a new idea to me, but you\u2019ve done it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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