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RUSH: Let\u2019s start with the audio sound bites here from last night\u2019s Human Rights Campaign forum with the Democrat presidential candidates. The moderator was Melissa Etheridge and she had this exchange with the Democrat frontrunner, Hillary Rodham Clinton.<\/p>\n

ETHERIDGE: I remember when your husband was elected president, I actually came out publicly during his inaugural week. It was a very hopeful time for the gay community. For the first time we were being recognized as American citizens. It was wonderful. We were very, very hopeful — and in the years that followed, our hearts were broken. We were thrown under the bus. We were pushed aside. All those great promises that were made to us, were broken. <\/p>\n

RUSH: What promises?<\/p>\n

ETHERIDGE: A year from now, are we going to be left behind like we were before? <\/p>\n

MRS. CLINTON: Well, you know, obviously, Melissa, I don\u2019t see it quite the way that you describe, but I respect your feeling about it. I think that we certainly didn\u2019t get as much done as I would have liked, but I believe that there was, uhh, a lot of honest effort going on by the president, the vice president and the rest of us who were trying to keep the, uh, the momentum going.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What are we talking about here? Does anybody have the slightest clue? I don\u2019t. I don\u2019t know what promises were made. What promises does Melissa Etheridge remember Bill Clinton having made, and when did they get thrown under the bus for what? For what? You can say ‘don\u2019t ask, don\u2019t tell,\u2019 but I don\u2019t think she\u2019s talking about that. Of course there\u2019s Hillary (mumbling), ‘Well, uh, uh, there…there could have been a lot more done.\u2019 These people had eight years to do all this stuff, and they didn\u2019t get it done. (sigh) You know, we were talking the other day when we had the questions at the AFL-CIO forum at Soldier Field and all these union guys parade up there to the microphone and started asking their questions. They\u2019ve been voting Democrat for as long as they\u2019ve been alive. Their lives are miserable. Their future is bleak. They want to know, ‘What\u2019s wrong with America?\u2019 and what\u2019s the president going to do to fix it, and yet they keep voting for them! It\u2019s like battered wife syndrome. People don\u2019t understand the Battered Women Syndrome. The women just hang around even though they get abused. Nobody can understand it. I mean, there are psychological explanations for it. Battered Liberal Syndrome! For crying out loud, the liberals in this country are battered by the Democrats for all these years and they just keep…going…back to them. Here\u2019s another example. Melissa Etheridge just got thrown under the bus. The one group they gave all their money to, the Democrats, couldn\u2019t trust them and the promises didn\u2019t get delivered. What are they going to do? They\u2019re going to go back and vote for them all over again! Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result, when a different result is impossible. Etheridge says to Hillary — this next answer, Get this. Melissa Etheridge said: ‘Why not be the leader now?\u2019<\/p>\n

MRS. CLINTON: Well, I think… I think I am a… I — I think I am a leader now. If I were sitting where you\u2019re sitting —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a minute! You think? You think you are a leader. Cue that back up to the top. ‘Well I think… I think I am a leader now.\u2019 I tell you what, this question really put \u2019em off. I know what\u2019s happening here, folks. They are duty-bound to go out and address this group, and they\u2019re duty-bound to go out there and pander to them and say whatever. But they gotta be really, really, really careful because this thing is on television. They have to be real careful how they pander here, and so Hillary is back on her heels here because she\u2019s being very, very defensive — because this thing is being televised, plus you don\u2019t want to anger this bunch. There was a story the other day and I forget the source of the story. I had it in the stack. I didn\u2019t get a chance to get to it. It was that the endorsement of political figures by gay and lesbian groups and individuals, has no impact on the American population at large in terms of how they\u2019re going to vote. This is about fund-raising here and the Democrats, they have to be very careful talking about gay marriage here. They know what the mood of the country is on that. So here\u2019s her answer here to the question, ‘Why not be the leader now?\u2019<\/p>\n

MRS. CLINTON: Well, I think… I think I am a… I — I think I am a leader now. If I were sitting where you\u2019re sitting with all you have…gone through in the last 14 years, ummm, I\u2019m sure I would feel exactly the same way, because, you know, not only did you bravely come out, but you\u2019ve had health challenges and so much else, and so time can\u2019t go by slowly. You want things to move as quickly as possible, which I… you know, understand and, um, wish could happen as well.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Whew! Man, that was bold, folks! That was just bold. That is Mrs. Clinton at her boldest best, wasn\u2019t it? You know, Democrats say they want openly gay people in the military and they want to open up all these doors and so forth. How about an openly gay running-mate? How about that? It seems to me that these Democrat candidates need to be put to the test. The military says openly gay people in Iraq would be disruptive. The same can\u2019t be said of a gay running-mate, can it? If gays are no different in terms of civil rights than blacks, why won\u2019t a gay candidate commit run on the ticket? That would be real leadership. We have the first female. We have the first black, here. Where is the first gay if they\u2019re really serious? <\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: All right, back to the Human Rights Campaign forum in Los Angeles with the Democrat presidential candidates. I have to go out there this afternoon. I\u2019m going to be in Los Angeles for the weekend. The timing worked out here. Melissa Etheridge says to candidate Bill Richardson, ‘Do you think homosexuality is a choice or is it biological?\u2019 <\/p>\n

RICHARDSON: It\u2019s a choice. <\/p>\n

ETHERIDGE: I don\u2019t know if you understand the question. Do you think a homosexual is born that way, or do you think that around seventh grade we go, ‘Oooh, I want to be gay\u2019?<\/p>\n

RICHARDSON: I\u2019m not a scientist. I don\u2019t see this as an issue of science or definition. I see gays and lesbians as people, as a matter of human decency. <\/p>\n

ETHERIDGE: It\u2019s hard when you are a citizen of a country that tells you that you are making a choice, when you were born that way and your creator made you that way, and there\u2019s a document that was written 200 years ago that says you are entitled to certain rights that you are not given. How can there be anything other than absolutely equal rights for homosexuals? <\/p>\n

RICHARDSON: Well, that\u2019s always been my view, as I said.<\/p>\n

This is a Melissa Etheridge forum. The Democrat candidates were there as just a bunch of pawns. Did you catch the way this began? ‘Do you think homosexuality is a choice or is it biological?\u2019 Richardson said it\u2019s a choice. Etheridge says, ‘I don\u2019t think you understand the question.\u2019 Why did you ask it? Is that your final answer? Why did you ask the question then? There\u2019s obviously only one answer to that question. She gave him a chance to slither back into it. And he was lost. He had no clue. Some people are good panderers and some are not. Now, Etheridge and the Breck Girl have this exchange.<\/p>\n

ETHERIDGE: I have heard that you have said in the past that you feel uncomfortable around gay people. Are you okay right now? (LAUGHTER) It\u2019s okay.<\/p>\n

CARLSON: He\u2019s very calm.<\/p>\n

EDWARDS: I\u2019m perfectly comfortable. It\u2019s not true. It is not true. <\/p>\n

ETHERIDGE: Okay, I take that back. I apologize. <\/p>\n

EDWARDS: No. I know where it came from. It came from a political consultant, and he\u2019s just wrong. And Elizabeth and I were both there, and both of us have said he\u2019s wrong. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well lets go back. Lets review what Mrs. Edwards recollection of the Shrum incident is. In Shrums book, he writes that: ‘More troubling was an exchange we had one afternoon as we were throwing around questions and answers in his law firm\u2019s conference room. ‘What is your position, Mr. Edwards, on gay rights?\u2019 I asked. ‘I\u2019m not comfortable around those people,\u2019 was how he began his answer. You were there, supposedly at that conversation. What happened?\u2019<\/p>\n

ELIZABETH EDWARDS: I believe that Bob Shrum brought up the issues of gays and lesbians. And John said, ‘You know, I come from a small southern town, Baptist. As far as I know, I don\u2019t know, this is,\u2019 he said, ‘honestly an abstract issue for me, because he said, you know, I don\u2019t really know as far as I know, know any gay people. So sort of talk to me about it.\u2019 And I said, ‘Well, actually, you do.\u2019 And I referred to a friend of mine from English graduate school and how then John and I had been out for the evening, I saw this old friend from English graduate school — this is when we were still in law school — and I went over and spoke to him and I knew that he was gay. And I said, you know, ‘I\u2019m engaged, and there\u2019s the fellow over there I\u2019m engaged to.\u2019 And he said, ‘Oh, he\u2019s awfully cute. I might snake him if he wasn\u2019t with you.\u2019 And I told John that, and this is where he used the word ‘uncomfortable.\u2019 He said, ‘That made me feel uncomfortable.\u2019 So Bob correctly remembers the word ‘uncomfortable,\u2019 but incorrectly remembers the circumstances in which he said it. I mean, all of us feel uncomfortable at someone trying to snake us in the presence of our fiancee, and that made him feel uncomfortable. John talked about that. So he remembers it slightly, but he remembers it incorrectly. I remember things in quite good detail from years ago. And I remember this conversation very clearly. And I have talked to John about that, and he does recall exactly the same thing.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Right. I talked to John and we got our talking points straight. He sees it that way too. It\u2019s the official family position on this. So she has to explain there why the potential snaking made John Edwards uncomfortable. So Edwards then shows how tough he is. It\u2019s time to take the obligatory shot at Ann Coulter. Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post says: ‘Senator Edwards, when you were the vice presidential nominee in 2004, many gays and lesbians felt that they were being used as a scare tactic by the right wing and the Republican party and that the Democrats didn\u2019t do anything to defend them. Why should the gay community think that it will be defended this time by you?\u2019<\/p>\n

EDWARDS: Melissa mentioned my wife Elizabeth — I was very proud of Elizabeth for taking Ann Coulter on, and taking her on head-on. If you stand quietly by and let it happen, what happens is it takes hold. And it takes hold, and then people begin to believe it\u2019s okay. It\u2019s okay to use the kind of language that Ann Coulter used. It\u2019s okay for the Republicans in their politics to divide America and use hate-mongering to separate us.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Is this as painful for you people listening to as it is for me? I mean, this is pathetic! This is literally pathetic. This is pure pandering. These people haven\u2019t got the guts or the courage to say what they think in front of this group because all it\u2019s about here is money. They are big donors to the Democrat Party and this is what they\u2019ve got to do to get it. They\u2019ve got to go out there and make all these promises, but these poor people in the gay community out there in this forum will end up being like the poor people in Chicago at Soldier Field, a bunch of batter libs feeling sold out, left out, disappointed, once again when it is all said and done. There is one guy out there, ladies and gentlemen. There is one guy who is willing to speak his mind about homosexuality. That\u2019s the former Senator Mike Gravel. He was not asked the question about Sparta yesterday. He was asked how he convinces his generation of straight white men on gay issues.<\/line> <\/line>GRAVEL: My generation — most of them are wrong, dead wrong. (LAUGHTER) When I was a kid, there was a lot of homophobia around. I can recall when the gay issue was 55 percent opposed, 40 percent for, and lo and behold, now if you\u2019re talking about the gay issue in general, it\u2019s probably 55, almost 59 percent for, and the rest are in the dustbin of history. The same thing\u2019s going to happen with the marriage issue. I\u2019ll tell you. I\u2019ll make you a promise. Five years from now the marriage issue will be a non-issue in the presidential campaign. Just that simple.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: So he\u2019s out there. He\u2019s willing to tell them what he thinks. He\u2019s not pandering around. He doesn\u2019t care who in the general population he offends with that because he knows he\u2019s not going to get the nomination. Let\u2019s give you another example of the boldness and the cast it all aside and proceed down the fork in the road taking both pathways. Mike Gravel in New Hampshire at a gay pride event.<\/line> <\/line>GRAVEL: Do you know something? Clinton was dead wrong, dead wrong on that issue. It\u2019s ridiculous. He was trying to be mousey and in the middle. When Clinton got to be President, well, the first he\u2019s doing is standing on two legs, waffling back and forth, oh, don\u2019t tell us you\u2019re gay. What are you talking about? If you had any knowledge of history, ancient history, in Sparta they encouraged homosexuality because they fight for the people they love. And if it\u2019s your partner and you love them, you\u2019re prepared to die for them, and that\u2019s the same ethic you see in the military today. It\u2019s not the country. It\u2019s my partner. Go see the movies on war, and it\u2019s always the person next to me who is in my foxhole with me. Well, I got to tell you, extend that a little further and you\u2019ll see why the Spartans trained their people to be homosexuals, because they were better fighters. <\/line><\/p>\n

(Parody – Mike Gravel\u2019s Army of Tomorrow)<\/p>\n

RUSH: It\u2019s open line Friday on the Rush Limbaugh program. I\u2019ve got one more sound bite. This is from the aftermath, the post show wrap-up last night after the Logo network\u2019s forum, the human rights campaign and the Democrat candidates. This is comedian and actor Alec Mapa giving his analysis of the performances last night of the Democrat presidential candidates.<\/p>\n

MAPA: Dennis Kucinich seemed like a magical person, like he was born in a flower, and, you know, came to life. He was like being in the presence of Santa Claus. Bill Richardson seemed like Eeyore, you know, from Winnie the Pooh, kind of like, ‘Well you guys, it\u2019s the best I can do.\u2019 Edwards kind of came across as a little patronizing to me. Obama looked me right in the eyes, shook my hand and told me that he loved me. So on a personal note, you know, I\u2019m going to be having dreams. But the one who really changed the temperature in the room tonight was Hillary. It felt like she was one of us. It felt like, I don\u2019t know, the other ones kind of felt like, there were other candidates that came in like, ‘Hi gay folks, how are ya? I\u2019m safe to be here,\u2019 you know. <\/p>\n

RUSH: (Laughing.)<\/p>\n

END TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

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