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RUSH: ‘Republicans and Democrats sparred today over whether to force a showdown with President Bush over federal prosecutors as a Senate panel authorized subpoenas for political advisor Karl Rove and others. The Democrats angrily rejected the president\u2019s offer to grant a limited number of lawmakers private interviews with various White House aides, including Rove, and no transcript, and without a requirement they testify under oath.\u2019 This led to heated debate today in the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. We have an exchange between Arlen Specter and Senator Patrick ‘Leaky\u2019 Leahy.<\/p>\n

SPECTER: If we don\u2019t like what we get, we can always issue a subpoena, and move with a subpoena if we don\u2019t like what we get.<\/p>\n

LEAHY: That\u2019s not —<\/p>\n

SPECTER: Why not — why not take what we can get in the efforts of —<\/p>\n

LEAHY: No! What — no! What — No! What we\u2019re told we can get is nothing, nothing, nothing<\/emphasize>. We are told that —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Whoa.<\/p>\n

LEAHY: — we can have a closed-door meeting with no transcript, not under oath, limited number of people, and the White House will determine what the agenda is. That to me is nothing<\/emphasize>.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Whoa! Leahy angry, ladies and gentlemen. Leahy boiling. What Specter was saying (paraphrased) is, ‘Come on. They\u2019ve offered us Rove, and they\u2019ve offered us Miers. Let\u2019s bring \u2019em up here and let\u2019s talk to \u2019em and if we\u2019re not satisfied with what they say, then let\u2019s get the subpoenas, let\u2019s get the ball rolling,\u2019 and that\u2019s when Leahy said, ‘No, no! That\u2019s nothing, nothing, nothing!\u2019 Democrats are furious over this. Listen to this next bite. This is on the Today Show today with Meredith Vieira, and she said, ‘Look, to paraphrase Tony Snow and President Bush, what you guys are involved in here is not a search for the truth. They don\u2019t believe it is. They say it\u2019s a political spectacle, a partisan fishing expedition. What do you say to that?\u2019<\/p>\n

LEAHY: Let me tell you this. When you have something done that looks like you\u2019re trying to twist the way prosecution is done, you affect law enforcement all the way down to the cop on the beat. You read in the paper where they forced prosecutors to change from a $130 billion suit against the tobacco companies down to a $10 billion. That\u2019s money out of the taxpayer\u2019s pocket.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I have that story<\/a>. That story runs in the Washington Post. When you read the story you find out how totally phony it is. They had a debate in there among the people involved in this tobacco case. It was not at all about pressure being applied. They had a debate, which is what goes on in these kinds of places. At any rate, you see what happens here when you stand up to Democrats. They lose it! Vieira said, ‘Wait a minute. They\u2019ve already said they\u2019re not going to do that, sir. You have a compromise in mind over this whole thing?\u2019<\/p>\n

LEAHY: No. I mean, they came up and said (not actual quotes), ‘This is our offer. Take it or leave it. Accept these papers where we\u2019ve erased 100 pages or more so you don\u2019t even know what\u2019s on there. Do a closed-door hearing where the public has no idea what was said, and then not under oath,\u2019 and they said, ‘If you don\u2019t like that — take it or leave it.\u2019<\/p>\n

RUSH: Exactly right. There is no criminality here. Democrats are trying to make this out to be Watergate 2. There is no criminality here — and by the way, the more people look into this, the more there was cause involved for some of the dismissals of these US attorneys — one of them particularly for just dragging her feet and going nowhere on the prosecution of illegal immigration cases. She was not even bringing them forward. In fact, there was a Bush loyalist was one of the eight that was targeted for being replaced here! Look, this is totally a non-story. Democrats can\u2019t get anything done legislatively. Stories are all over the Stack of Stuff today about how they can\u2019t come together on anything to do with Iraq. Code Pink showing up at more congressional offices to protest the lack of things being done. <\/p>\n

Another story — in the Politico, no less, a left-leaning website that published a newspaper now and then, two or three times a week. It\u2019s these guys from the Washington Post that left the dead tree paper, went over to the Internet, and started this Politico website<\/a>. They are out saying, ‘Nancy Pelosi, the honeymoon\u2019s over.\u2019 Steny Hoyer, who is second in command in the House for the Democrats, has decided that the House is going to continue to hold open votes rather than have a definite closed period for votes. This is something they excoriated the Republicans for doing. The Republicans always held the votes open longer than scheduled in order to round up the votes to whip the votes into place. Democrats screamed, ‘You can\u2019t do that! That\u2019s violation of the way the House operates,\u2019 which is not surprising. I\u2019m just surprised anybody\u2019s surprised about this. <\/p>\n

Now, I want to say something here, and I will be very, very diplomatic about this. There have been many instances — well, there have been a few instances — where the White House, in the recent past, has appeared to put up its dukes, enter the ring, and said, ‘We\u2019re going to get in a fight on this,\u2019 such as the NSA and the wiretapping and so forth, a number of other things, and then all of a sudden, after a year goes by or two weeks or six weeks… What was the most recent one? It happened January and February. They had everybody totally supporting them on something. I can\u2019t remember what it was, but I blew my gasket when they changed their mind on this and can\u2019t remember what it is. It will come to me in just a moment. My point with all of this is that there is a pattern — and I must say this. You get ready to rumble out there, you\u2019re going, ‘All right, finally!\u2019 Now, there is a pattern. This may not be one of those instances, but there is a pattern where the White House after a period of time eventually relents and gives the Democrats what they want. <\/p>\n

My experience tells me that we can\u2019t go out too far on a limb as though this is going to hold up, because the recent past indicates that sometimes it won\u2019t. I would like to suggest to people inside the White House: if you\u2019re going to draw a line in the sand like this, you get everybody on your side thinking that you\u2019re going to hold fast and you\u2019re going to resist these subpoenas, and you\u2019re going to say you\u2019re not going to participate in a fishing expedition, and you\u2019re going to protect the executive branch and this constitutional mettle over the separation of powers, don\u2019t draw the line in the sand like this and then pull back and expect to have your credibility intact. If you lose credibility with your political enemies, along with your base, then you are in deep doo-doo. <\/p>\n

Look, it\u2019s the same for me. It would be the same for me. If I made a case about something, and I was pedal to the metal on it, and I was out there, and I was going to go as fast as I could on something, and I assured you that I was not going to waver and then a period of time later, six months, six weeks, whatever, I changed my mind, where would you be? You would be fit to be tied. ‘Rush, you caved! You wussed out. How can you do this?\u2019 We have had this experience on some issues with the White House. So while it looks like they\u2019re dead serious on this one (finally), we still have to understand that the pattern out there that does exist. I would suggest to people in the White House, if you\u2019ve drawn the line in the sand, don\u2019t cross it or don\u2019t erase it, whatever you do, because you\u2019ve got people rallying to your defense on this now, particularly out in the country. It still remains to be seen what congressional Republicans both in the House and Senate are going to do on this. They are crucial, by the way. Look, one of the reasons why I\u2019m sure that they\u2019re somewhat timid is because of the same pattern that I describe. There are a lot of people who have gone out, ‘The White House says X and we\u2019re not budge from this,\u2019 and go rah-rah-rah, get a bunch of people supporting it, and some short period of time later they do a 180. <\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: I want to make this clear one more time here. The White House seems firm here in their resolve to fight these subpoenas that the Senate has authorized, the subpoenas for Rove and Harriet Miers. As I suggested yesterday, go get some big gun powerhouse lawyers and just play this out as long as you can play it out. Just delay these people. Paper \u2019em with motions, tie everybody up, and try to get this strung out to the end of the term here. There\u2019s plenty of precedent here for the Bush administration winning this. There\u2019s no criminal activity that\u2019s taken place here whatsoever. This is nothing more than a desire (it\u2019s almost an obsession with Democrats) to get Karl Rove, however and whenever they could. Tony Snow is up to speed on this. He was on Good Morning America today. He was on a bunch of shows, actually. We have a Limbaugh Echo here from Tony Snow, that is that liberals have Karl Rove-itis. Diane Sawyer said, ‘If you haven\u2019t got anything to hide why not go up and testify under oath? Why not let Karl Rove go up there and show he has nothing to hide. Testify under oath and with a transcript! Let everybody see it.\u2019<\/p>\n

SNOW: This is what I love, this Karl Rove obsession. What do you want? Do you want Karl Rove on TV or do you want the truth? It seems to me that all this —<\/p>\n

SAWYER: Why can\u2019t you have both?<\/p>\n

SNOW: White House aides have to have the expectation that they can give their full advice to the president, and if you have to think, ‘OK, you can get called up on Capitol Hill because somebody has heard something from somebody or read an e- mail,\u2019 that not only has a chilling effect, it means that everybody\u2019s going to guard everything they say. So the real question, Diane, is: Is there a single fact that they will not have available to them?<\/emphasize> And the answer is no. They\u2019ll have all the facts. So what you\u2019re missing now is a televised spectacle.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Not only do they have all the facts, not only is that the case, they want this televised spectacle. But there\u2019s another aspect to this, too, and that\u2019s the separation of powers. There simply is no criminality here, and as such, there\u2019s no requirement that White House aides go up and answer questions from partisan-oriented members of the Senate and members of Congress who simply want to politically embarrass the president. This is not Watergate. This is not something that is even close to it. What do you think Leahy would do if George W. Bush said, ‘I want to talk to your staffers. I want to talk to your staffers and you, Senator Biden, and you, Senator Kennedy. I want to talk to your staffers. I want to see your staffers in the Oval Office and I want to find out from your staffers just who you\u2019ve been coordinating with and for how long on trying to raise hell over my judicial nominees. You\u2019ve tried to destroy some of my judicial nominees lives and their careers, not just their appointments. I want to find out who it is that you\u2019ve been working with and coordinating with on this. You have a Karl Rove or a bunch of them. You\u2019ve got legislative aides and all this. You\u2019ve got chief of staff up there. I want to talk to them.\u2019 <\/p>\n

What do you think Leahy and Kennedy would do if such a request or demand were made? ‘But, Rush! But, Rush! The executive branch has no oversight of the legislative branch.\u2019 That may be true, but this does not fall under oversight. This is political. It is a witch hunt. It\u2019s a desire to find a crime. And I\u2019ll tell you what else it is. Listen to me carefully on this. The reason that Leahy wants these people, Rove and Harriet Miers up under oath, is to set a perjury trap. He wants to pull a Patrick Fitzfong<\/emphasize> on them. He knows there\u2019s no crime here. He has said so. He has said so previously in numerous television appearances, that there was no crime, no crime in firing US attorneys. Chuck Schumer has said the same thing. So why in the world do you need them under oath? There was nothing inappropriate. The White House maintains it. Alberto Gonzales, the attorney general, this morning said, ‘I\u2019m not resigning. I\u2019m not quitting. Everything was appropriate. I\u2019ll be glad to go talk to these guys. I\u2019ll clarify whatever they want clarified but we\u2019re not sending people up there under oath,\u2019 because that\u2019s just a perjury trap. <\/p>\n

This is nothing more than a trap. That\u2019s why I hope and I pray that the White House holds firm on this like they\u2019ve held firm on the Iraq war. I hope they hold as firm on this as they have on anything else, because they\u2019ve drawn this big line in the stand. The Democrats are fit to be tied. Make the Democrats continue to keep the country in tumult and chaos, and make the American people grow tired and weary of it. Tony Snow again on CBS Early Show with Harry Smith, who today acted as an appendage of the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Harry Smith said, ‘Tony, here\u2019s what it looks like. These people certainly serve at the will of the president, pleasure of the president, have been or are kicked out for undue political influence. Even on the front page of your Washington Post today, you had the lead prosecutor in a Big Tobacco case saying that Alberto Gonzales justice department, ‘political interference is happening at justice across the department.” I\u2019m going to get to that story in just a second, because it\u2019s phony and as contrived a story as you\u2019ve ever seen. Anyway, Harry Smith says, ‘The rule of law goes out the window in this justice department.\u2019<\/p>\n

SNOW: Harry, you\u2019re sounding like a partisan rather than a reporter here. Please permit me to try to explain what\u2019s going on, because if you take a look also at reporting in the New York Times, what they have said is look at the documents that indicate that there is no political interference. When people have looked at the available documentary evidence in the case of the US attorney, zippo. So I think what you need to do is to stop trying to make a break for political interference and maybe do what we\u2019re asking members of Congress to do.<\/p>\n

SMITH: All right.<\/p>\n

SNOW: Figure out what the facts are.<\/p>\n

RUSH: ‘Figure out what the facts are.\u2019 It\u2019s a perjury trap. That\u2019s all they want. They want to create their own process crime in the Senate Judiciary Committee with these subpoenas, because there is no crime. They keep talking about this Washington Post story. It\u2019s a long, drawn-out affair, and the story was written, this story was put together specifically<\/emphasize> to give people like Harry Smith and Diane Sawyer something to talk about today. I\u2019m not surprised that Diane Sawyer and Harry Smith are ignorant, or at least not thinking about the whole concept of separation of powers here. ‘Well, if you got nothing to hide&hellip;?\u2019 Why don\u2019t you try that in any criminal proceeding? ‘I\u2019ve got nothing to hide.\u2019 <\/p>\n

Like Conrad Black is on trial Chicago. ‘Conrad, you say you\u2019re innocent and have nothing to hide, then go say what you did.\u2019 That\u2019s not the way it works, folks. It\u2019s not up to the innocent to prove their innocence in a court of law where charges have been made; it\u2019s up to the accusers to prove the guilt. Now, here the guilt is being assumed<\/emphasize>. The Drive-By Media is carrying that assumption throughout the country — and of course now everybody is out there with the assumption the White House and Rove and Miers are guilty of something, and they\u2019ve gotta go up and defend themselves. That\u2019s not how it works. No crime has been committed, and the Democrats on this committee have said so themselves.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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