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RUSH: I want to welcome Debra Burlingame to the program. Her brother, Chic Burlingame<\/a>, was the pilot of Flight 77. She has some comments on the Flight 93 movie. Debra, thanks for calling. It\u2019s nice to have you on the program.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Thanks for having me, Rush. My brother\u2019s name was Chic. He was the pilot on Flight 77, and I wanted to say about this movie “United 93<\/a>,” I won\u2019t be able to see this. It\u2019s going to be too brutal for me because it\u2019s going to be a graphic depiction of the cockpit crews being butchered. I just can\u2019t go there. However, I hope that people will go to this film. I think it\u2019s going to be very important because I think the country has become complacent. I just heard a kid on the Internet saying, “Big deal 3,000 people. We lose more than that on the highways every year and we don\u2019t have a war on highways.” The enemy is ruthless, brutal, determined and motivated, and I think the American people need to be reminded of that.<\/line>RUSH: You know, that argument that you heard on the — by the way, I totally agree, and I hope you keep saying this. I understand the difficulty you would have watching, but that argument that kid on the Internet made, “Hey, we have more than this on the highway. Why don\u2019t we have a war on the wheel or something?” The real problem with that is I doubt that kid came up with that on his own. There is a political movement in the country to try to sabotage every effort that we are making to defeat this particular enemy, and what you heard on the Internet is symptomatic of it. Complacency has settled in.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Rush, and I\u2019d also like to tell your listeners this, I wish that the public… I\u2019m against cameras in the courtroom, but I sure wish they were there when Moussaoui testified last week and also when Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9\/11, when his testimony was read into the record. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed said they had no idea that the damage on that attack would be as catastrophic as it was, but they did not plan on the US responding to the attacks as fiercely as they did and that caused the second wave to be postponed. I suspect that, you know, the reporting of IEDs in Iraq notwithstanding, the military\u2019s response has left Al-Qaeda reeling, and he even said that the prospects for a second attack were dismal, dismal<\/emphasize>, and I think that that\u2019s another reason why this movie is so important, because here are Americans, that in the blink of an eye, banded together. They didn\u2019t know each other. They took a vote and they brought the fight to the enemy, and they stopped that plane from killing hundreds if not thousands of people in Washington, and that is the model for us: aggressive.<\/line>RUSH: Yeah. It\u2019s heroic and inspirational, and it ought to be seen for those reasons alone.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Yes. These people should be remembered for generations, for generations, their story. I have to say, because my brother\u2019s plane was the third one that went down, they didn\u2019t have enough information, obviously, to stop it, but the story of 93 I think kept me from losing my mind, frankly, because it was so inspirational. It really was, and that\u2019s why, as hard as this film is, I hope a lot of people see it. Personally I just can\u2019t go back into it. I can\u2019t see the graphic depiction of the murder of the crews, but I hope people go, and I understand that it\u2019s been shot very high production values, documentary style, and it should be. I hope it shakes people up.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: I do, too, because they need to be. Let me ask you a question, Debra. Aside from the movie, there still, when you just get up every day and inform yourself about what daily events in the country are politically and culturally as they relate to either Iraq or the war on terror and knowing full well what\u2019s spawned all this, does the debate the country is having and the seemingly large number of people who don\u2019t think it\u2019s worth doing what we\u2019re doing, does that disturb you at all? How do you deal with that on a daily basis?<\/line>BURLINGAME: It\u2019s frustrating. But, you know, I think it\u2019s sort of typical. Americans, with the exception of Pearl Harbor and then 60 years later on 9\/11, we\u2019re used to being safe. We\u2019re spoiled. We live in a world which the rest of the world doesn\u2019t get, which is affluence and prosperity, comfort, and we\u2019d rather be there. So we don\u2019t want to do the heavy lifting that I think this war requires — I shouldn\u2019t say “we.” Some do not want to do the heavy lifting that this war requires, but make no mistake this is a war. So I feel very determined. I mean, we already lost my brother, so I feel that I\u2019m doing whatever it takes in the effort to bring awareness. But it\u2019s very frustrating, Rush. We\u2019re in a war. We\u2019re absolutely in a war.<\/line>RUSH: You know, it\u2019s frustrating to me, too, that… We\u2019re talking with Debra Burlingame, by the way, if you just joined us, whose brother Chic was piloting Flight 77 and died in the 9\/11 attacks. You know, you look at what you described as a country of imminent prosperity and opportunity and so forth, and yet you\u2019re absolutely right. We have people in this country who, if they want to put their head in the sand, they can do it. If they want to go on and do anything and ignore the reality of where we are, we still have — despite the prosperity and affluence in this country — we still have a significant number of people who will take the responsibility of defending the country at the time. Pearl Harbor, you mentioned that, the country was unified back then. That was a seminal moment in American history. There were pockets of opposition, but I mean we were pretty much unified in everything. Women going into the factories to work. We were rationing gasoline, everybody was oriented toward victory. It\u2019s not the case today, but still we have enough people — and I take this as inspirational, and they\u2019re young, young people who are willing to step up and do what it takes. They\u2019re volunteering to do it in terms of the armed forces. So there\u2019s a good side to this, too, even though it does appear that some of us in the country are not interested and would rather keep our heads in the sand over it.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Well, let me tell you. I raised my daughter, who\u2019s 23 now, in New York City. She lived her whole life in New York City.<\/line>RUSH: Let me interrupt. Debra, I got a break coming up in 15 seconds and I know you can\u2019t finish in 15 seconds and I want to hear the story. Can you hang on for a couple minutes after the break?<\/line>BURLINGAME: Yes.<\/line>RUSH: Okay, good. Do that. We\u2019ll come back and get more of this. I\u2019m glad she called. I\u2019m glad you called, Debra, because this is something I think people need to hear, and the controversy over the trailers of this movie, Flight 93, I think will pretty much ensure a lot of people go see the movie. It works almost every time it\u2019s tried.<\/line>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line>RUSH: We welcome back Debra Burlingame, again whose brother Chic was the pilot of Flight 77 on 9\/11. You were going tell us a story about your daughter.<\/line> BURLINGAME: Yeah, my daughter, she\u2019s 23 now, but when she was in high school and growing up in New York City and it came time for her to consider school, all of her friends were going to, you know, stick to the Ivy Leagues, East Coast, and she decided to get out of New York, and she ended up going to Indiana University. I was really happy that she looked at the Midwest and also schools in the South. She thought that she was going to be surrounded by a bunch of hicks, but she thought that that would be, I suppose, local color or something. But, you know what? She had an education that she wasn\u2019t anticipating. She was exposed to these Midwest kids with a Midwest work ethic. She was away from the big city smart set and their definition of cool, and it\u2019s changed her view of the world — and I think that\u2019s one of the problems that, you know, the media culture is centered in New York City. They think they\u2019re the smartest, most sophisticated people in the world and they speak for the entire country, and they don\u2019t. They absolutely don\u2019t. The editorial page of the New York Times is clueless, absolutely clueless.<\/line>RUSH: Totally clueless. The editorial page and the front page is one and the same. They would need a visa for their reporter to send them into Indiana, may as well be a foreign country to them.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Right. And these kids that you\u2019re talking about that are, you know, showing up for us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and all over the world, that\u2019s where they come from, or they come from Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: And they\u2019re being impugned, Debra, they\u2019re being impugned by the likes of the left. Richard Belzer was on that waste-of-time Bill Maher show and basically said: Look, they\u2019re hicks and they\u2019re idiots they\u2019re dumb. They don\u2019t even know why they\u2019re there. The only reason they\u2019re there is they\u2019ve got no hope for a future in this country, because there\u2019s no jobs, and so they\u2019ve been hoodwinked into thinking they have to join the Army to have a future with education and a job. That\u2019s obviously not a correct description, but it\u2019s interesting that that\u2019s the elitist attitude the left has toward the military. Belzer I think was just publicizing it for all of those on the left who believe it. But just hypothetically, let\u2019s stipulate that that were true. So why impugn them? They\u2019re still volunteering to defend the country. They\u2019re still volunteering to risk their lives to defend the country. Why impugn these people? I\u2019m glad your daughter saw this. I\u2019m glad she got to experience it.<\/line>BURLINGAME: They impugn it by the way, I\u2019m convinced, because they don\u2019t understand military culture. They\u2019re very hostile towards the military in general, and so they have to put it down — and, by the way, you know, this isn\u2019t like the Hollywood of the forties as you know. None of them would think of serving. Richard Belzer, by the way, picked up and moved his family to France. I don\u2019t know if you\u2019re aware of that, when he had that show that was filmed in Baltimore, he would have to fly in from France for filming. I don\u2019t know if he still lives there, but he lived there for some time, raised his daughters there.<\/line>RUSH: Did not know that.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Yeah. That\u2019s a fact. You can check it, but that\u2019s a fact. So you know, I just think that, again, it\u2019s the military culture that the media is completely hostile to, and they learn that hostility right in college, you know, the hostility towards ROTC on campuses and so on and so forth. I wish that Mr. Belzer and others like him could get a field trip to any one of the military installations that are training our troops, because they would make mincemeat of him there.<\/line>RUSH: I think he wouldn\u2019t believe what he saw.<\/line>BURLINGAME: He\u2019d also be incredibly impressed. I got a VIP tour at Centcom down in Tampa, and a tutorial from some of the officers there, intelligence officers, these guys are Ph.D.s.<\/line>RUSH: He\u2019d think it\u2019s propaganda, Debra, a set up for his visit.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Actually I think that he would be not only impressed but incredibly reassured at how forward thinking our military is. I mean, they\u2019re thinking ahead 20 years. They\u2019re worried about what the population of Yemen is going to look like 20 years down the line. I mean, these people are very, very smart, and we\u2019re very lucky to have them, Rush.<\/line>RUSH: Tell me. I mean, I\u2019m in your camp on this. I just think the anti-military culture goes beyond a lack of understanding. I think they\u2019re fully informed, incorrectly, on what they think the military does. They are upset that the United States is the largest country and superpower in the world. They blame the US military as the focus of evil in the modern world. We cause these problems. You listen to Belzer and members of that gang, and you will eventually hear them say, well, you hear them say it now. “Bush is creating terrorists. We\u2019re making terrorists. We are making these people mad by just being Americans, by just being who we are. Then we send these military personnel all over the world to colonize and nation-build.” They have a self-loathing, guilt-laden view of their own country, and the military is an easy target for them to focus on because they think it does all the things that they would never do, kill people, break things. When you couple that with their elitism and they have all the answers and so forth you\u2019ve got an arrogant condescension that is what makes them see people from various parts of the country or military people the way they do.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Well, and in the end I think that with some exceptions, Rush, I don\u2019t think that they really care, because, you know, when you really care about something you follow through, and you don\u2019t really see them doing that. You don\u2019t see them making any personal sacrifices whatsoever for the betterment of the country.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: No, that\u2019s for everybody else to do.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Pardon?<\/line>RUSH: That\u2019s for everybody else to do. No, they\u2019re supposed to define the sacrifices and tell people what sacrifices to make. Their big sacrifice is tax increases. “How can we run a war without raising taxes?” That\u2019s their idea of sacrifice, but not on them of course, on everybody else.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Yeah. That\u2019s true.<\/line>RUSH: Do you happen to know when Flight 93 opens? Oh, I just saw. April 28th it comes out. So it\u2019s this month.<\/line>BURLINGAME: That\u2019s correct.<\/line>RUSH: Okay.<\/line><\/a> BURLINGAME: That\u2019s correct — and, by the way, I anticipate, because, listen. I\u2019ve been sitting there. I\u2019ve been exposed to a lot of 9\/11 family groups for, you know, audiotapes and so on and so forth also at the Moussaoui trial closed-circuit. They\u2019re going to have a screening for families at their premiere, they\u2019re going to have families there, and I anticipate, I\u2019m not kidding, Rush, I think people will be — I don\u2019t want to say hysterical but I think they\u2019re going to have people noisily weeping, and ordinary audience members. I think this is going to be an emotional film, and I don\u2019t think that means that\u2019s necessarily a negative thing, but I think people need to be prepared to see something very shocking.<\/line>RUSH: Once again, let me ask you a question because as a member of the 9\/11 families, I mean, you know that there is not unison of opinion there on what we\u2019re doing right now. In any group of people you\u2019re going to have political and cultural disagreements. What do you expect those who are let\u2019s say think differently from you on this. What do you expect them to do when the movie comes out? Do you think they\u2019ll try to convince people not to see it, will they suggest that this is not factually accurate, what will they do to try to suppress this movie or keep as many people from seeing it as possible?<\/line>BURLINGAME: I wouldn\u2019t presume that they would want to suppress it. You\u2019re talking about the peace-at-any-cost people? <\/line>RUSH: Yeah, the people that showed up at the 9\/11 hearings and generally try to just turn this into a political charade to blame Bush for everything.<\/line>BURLINGAME: Well, I would anticipate that their position would be that, look at what happened on 9\/11 and now because of Iraq, we have increased terrorists a thousandfold. In other words, Iraq was a recruiting poster for Al-Qaeda, and that will be their position. But, you know what? People react on a gut level to 9\/11, Rush. They do a gut check on this stuff, and I do not believe that people will come out of that film thinking we have to lay down for the terrorists. I just don\u2019t believe that.<\/line>RUSH: No!<\/line>BURLINGAME: They will be inspired.<\/line>RUSH: That\u2019s exactly right. That\u2019s why it needs to be seen.<\/line>BURLINGAME: That\u2019s right.<\/line>RUSH: That\u2019s precisely why it needs to be seen, instead of things like Fahrenheit 9\/11. The same bunch of people that are telling movie theaters on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, “Don\u2019t show me this. It\u2019s too soon. It\u2019s too soon,” they\u2019re probably the same bunch who can\u2019t wait to see Fahrenheit 9\/11 two or three times<\/line>BURLINGAME: And they don\u2019t like things that inspire feelings of patriotism. That makes them very nervous.<\/line>RUSH: Amen.<\/line>BURLINGAME: That makes them very, very nervous, because people who feel patriotic do crazy things in the name of country.<\/line>RUSH: Right. Irrational.<\/line>BURLINGAME: But people react to this on a gut level, and I don\u2019t think they\u2019ll buy any of that. I think they will see these heroes, and there\u2019s no… I mean, that word gets bandied about a lot, Rush, but these people are the very definition of heroic, and when they see this pure unadulterated heroism they\u2019re going to be inspired. They\u2019re going to be inspired, and at the very least, the people who are glib on the subject of terrorism, maybe will get the smiles wiped off their faces for a little while.<\/line>RUSH: And there\u2019s another group that will be reminded: the people with their heads in the sand who want to pretend that it didn\u2019t happen so they don\u2019t have to deal with the possibility of it happening again. This will be a reminder. I think it\u2019s well timed, and I\u2019m glad you called to recommend it, because you carry a lot of weight on this given your personal involvement, and I\u2019m happy you called.<\/line>BURLINGAME: All right, thanks, Rush.<\/line>RUSH: Debra Burlingame. Again, her brother Chic, pilot of Flight 77 on 9\/11.<\/line>END TRANSCRIPT<\/line><\/p>\n

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