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RUSH: We would like to welcome to our program F. Lee Levin, Mark Levin, who is the director our legal division here at the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies. He has a new book out, Men in Black. It\u2019s about UFOs and aliens housed (laughing).<\/p>\n

LEVIN: Actually when I first wrote the book, I submitted it, it was called ‘Men in Black Tights<\/emphasize>,\u2019 but the publisher rejected it.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (Laughing) Well, it may as well be that. F. Lee, people need to know some things about Mr. Levin that you may not know. In addition to his work at the Landmark Legal Foundation<\/a> he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Ed Meese during the Reagan administration. You grew up in Philadelphia. You visited Constitution Hall as a kid just to do it because you were fascinated by it. He has a lifetime of interest in the law and the Constitution of the United States. So this leads me to the first question: Why write the book?<\/emphasize> We\u2019ll get into what\u2019s in the book, but what was it that caused you at this point in your life to do to want this?<\/p>\n

LEVIN: Well, you know, the book is written for the public, not for you know, Main Street, not for Harvard square. It\u2019s for regular Americans so they can understand what\u2019s happening to their government, how the Supreme Court is disenfranchising them and what they can do about it. There\u2019s really not a year that goes by, Rush — and you talk about it all the time — when there\u2019s some case that comes down, some decision that is really shocking to the American people, whether it\u2019s conferring rights on terrorists or conferring benefits on illegal immigrants and on and on and on. So I thought it was time to really dissect this, really get into this — especially since we\u2019re about to have a major battle over the Supreme Court when the president nominates one, two or three justices in the future. So I\u2019m really trying to arm people who are interested in this subject with information so they can take it to their representatives and participate in this fight.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s the point. The point is you\u2019re trying to affect the knowledge of the American people so that they can then influence the people they elect to then wield that influence in a productive way. This is something you\u2019re aiming right at the hearts and minds of the people in the arena of ideas.<\/p>\n

LEVIN: Yeah. I mean, you know, the public stands there. We watch these left-wing groups savage one outstanding judicial candidate after another. We stand there and we watch the Supreme Court issue one outrageous policy decision after another. We live in the greatest representative republic on the face of the earth. It\u2019s time that we emphasized the “representative” <\/emphasize>part. We don\u2019t have to leave these decisions to a small cabal of left-wing senators or small cabal of left-wing special-interest groups, or a handful of lawyers who happen to be Supreme Court justices. The Framers didn\u2019t view it that way and we ought not to either.<\/line>RUSH: By the way, folks, I should tell you that I just found out that Mark\u2019s book is going to open its first week on the New York Times list as #4. That\u2019s just an astounding honor, Mark, and I want to congratulate you on that, and I want to implore the people of this audience to make this book #1 on the New York Times list.<\/line>LEVIN: (Laughing)<\/line>RUSH: No. No. Because not only does it deserve to be, but this is a book, there are very few of these kind of books that come along that people actually need to read. This is historically informative. This is an educational yet entertaining book to read, and I want to start. You\u2019ve perfectly cast what the court is doing now, what the left-wing groups are doing now, how a small cabal of Democrat senators can stop it. Where did this all start? What was the original intent<\/emphasize>? I know this is something we are all interested in here when we discuss the Constitution. What was the original intent<\/emphasize> of the Founders of the Supreme Court and how has it varied from that over the years?<\/line>LEVIN: Well, the Framers created basically a silhouette in the Constitution when it comes to the judiciary. It created a Supreme Court that had some specific powers not relevant to our discussion, and it left it to Congress — <\/line>RUSH: Did it name the number? Did it name the number of justices?<\/line>LEVIN: No, it did not. It was a blank slate pretty much, and it left it to Congress to decide.<\/line>RUSH: So Congress decided on nine justices.<\/line>LEVIN: Well, first there were seven. There have been a variety of numbers over the years. FDR wanted to make them 14, but it\u2019s pretty settled now that there are nine justices. The number of justices to me doesn\u2019t really matter. It\u2019s what they do. The Constitution doesn\u2019t speak of what the lower court\u2019s going to look like. That\u2019s <\/emphasize>left to Congress, too. So you have a situation in the Constitution where the elected branches are pretty specific about what they\u2019re going to look like. The judiciary they\u2019re not specific. As I say it\u2019s a silhouette, and it\u2019s left to Congress to paint the picture, and Congress from time to time ought to paint that picture. Early in our history it did. I mean there were judiciary acts and they changed the makeup of the court. They changed what the lower courts look like. But where everything really changed, at least the impetus, was in the election of 1800 when John Adams<\/a> and the Federalists got their political clocks cleaned by Thomas Jefferson<\/a> and the Republicans. Adams lost the presidency. The Federalists lost both houses of Congress, but there was a big period of time back then between the time the new president came in and the old one left. It was March. And so during that time, Adams decided that he\u2019s going to try and make sure at least the Federalists have some say. So he tried to ram through some judges, which he did through the lame duck Federalist Senate, 16 of them, one of them being Marbury<\/a>. He named his secretary of state, who was John Marshall<\/a>, chief justice, and got him confirmed about five or six weeks before he left office, and so one of those judges challenged Jefferson, who said, “You know, I don\u2019t have to put up with this. I\u2019m not going to appoint these judges,” and he ordered his <\/emphasize>secretary of state, Madison<\/a>, to sit on them and not appoint them. So you have this lawsuit, and it comes before the Supreme Court, and who\u2019s the chief justice? John Marshall. John Marshall was also a political confidante of Adams\u2019 over the years and a footnote, he was a distant cousin of Jefferson\u2019s and they were frequently political adversaries in Virginia. So the bottom line is this case comes before the court — and let me cut to the chase. Marshall uses the occasion of the case to basically announce — and, of course, I paraphrase — he says, “You know what? When it comes to constitutional issues, we\u2019ll basically have the final say here, folks. I just want to make that clear, that somebody has to do it, and we\u2019ll do it,” and Jefferson went nuts. <\/emphasize>And for the rest of his life he was the biggest critic of what he considered a seizure of power by the Supreme Court. He called it “the despotism of an oligarchy” way back in 1820, and since then it\u2019s gotten worse! I mean, we put this court up as if it\u2019s an Olympian council, and I don\u2019t know why. Let\u2019s look at some quick facts. In 1856, the Supreme Court ruled in Dred Scott<\/a> that slavery is the law of the land compelled by the Constitution. It is not <\/emphasize>compelled by the Constitution. Even in the free territories, slavery is the law of the land. In 1896 the Supreme Court decided in Plessy vs. Ferguson<\/a> that separate but equal is equal. That\u2019s not what the equal-protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment says! And in 1944, the Supreme Court — by the way, I don\u2019t give FDR<\/a> and Earl Warren<\/a> a pass on this. The Supreme Court upheld in a very short opinion the internment of American citizens mostly Japanese-Americans, the removal from their homes on the Pacific Coast, moving them to the interior and they upheld that. So we have slavery, segregation, the internment of American citizens. The Supreme Court was on the wrong side of all those.<\/line>RUSH: Claiming all three of those are constitutional to boot.<\/line>LEVIN: That\u2019s correct.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: Claiming they\u2019re constitutional when the Constitution says nothing about it. That\u2019s one of the things here. You ask… You don\u2019t know why they did it. I have to ask you about this. It seems to me that — whatever you want to call, Democrat, liberal, leftist, whatever label you want to attach to it — this kind of extraconstitutional power and desire for it has been around for years and years and years and years, and what you have just said is not taught anymore in the public schools. What you\u2019ve just said, I have no doubt, is big news to a whole lot of people listening to this program, that the Supreme Court itself <\/emphasize>determined it <\/emphasize>is the final arbiter of what\u2019s constitutional or not, that it just took that on itself. Now, that\u2019s a brazen power ploy as you just said. It has evolved now to the point that liberals, that\u2019s the only way they can get the vast majority of what they believe woven into the fabric our society.<\/line>LEVIN: Yeah.<\/line>RUSH: Because that stuff would never pass legislatively, and so for years — for a century, over a century — this stuff, it\u2019s just become accepted. Now the American people have been slowly lulled into a comfortability with the notion that the Supreme Court is the final word on controversial political subjects.<\/line>LEVIN: Yeah, you know, let me be real clear about this. What are we talking about? We\u2019re talking about today nine lawyers who are on the Supreme Court. Most people don\u2019t know who five or six of those lawyers are, know very little about them. In our history we\u2019ve had only about 120 justices. Some of them have been brilliant; some of them have been extremely competent; some of them have been racists; some of them have been senile, and some of them have been crooks. I mean they\u2019re imperfect human beings, and it is time — as you wrote recently in an op-ed — to strip the veneer from the court and these justices. We shouldn\u2019t hold them up higher than the elected branches. They\u2019re no better and no worse than the people who serve in the elected branches. But where he we do draw the line is when they start setting policy based on their personal views or even more so-so views that are not expressed in the Constitution. In the dissent<\/a> in Dred Scott in 1856 there was this Justice Curtis<\/a>, and he couldn\u2019t have put it better. If Justice Curtis were nominated by President Bush today, people like Chuck Schumer would say he\u2019s an extremist and he\u2019s unqualified. Justice Curtis said, speaking up against <\/emphasize>the decision of the court upholding slavery, “When a strict interpretation of the Constitution, according to the fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws is abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control its meaning, we no longer have a Constitution. We are under the government of individual men who for the time being have power to declare what the Constitution is according their own views of what it ought to mean.” This man could not be confirmed today to the United States Supreme Court!<\/line>RUSH: Mark Levin is with us. He\u2019s discussing the history of the Supreme Court, what to do about where we are now in his new book Men in Black.<\/line>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line>RUSH: Rush Limbaugh with Mark Levin, author of Men in Black, debuting at #4 on the New York Times list when the next list hits. Mark, I want to go through some of the other things that you have mentioned in the book that show these tremendous contradictions, and quite literal overstepping of constitutional bounds. The court\u2019s ruled, for example, that cyberspace child pornography is protected free speech but certain broadcast advertisements run prior to an election are not: campaign finance reform. Nazis marching in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood sanctioned by the First Amendment the court said, but demonstrations in front of abortion clinics were not <\/emphasize>sanctioned. They are unconstitutional. The court has decided that noncitizens have a right to compete for civil servant jobs and be members of the bar, receive state benefits regardless of residency requirements and illegal immigrants have a constitutional right to public education. None of that can possibly be true with a literal reading of the Constitution.<\/line>LEVIN: No. In fact, under the Constitution with respect to immigration, for instance, Congress is specifically given the power to regulate immigration. You know, when you read these decisions — and in the book I don\u2019t bore everybody with long dissertations about the decisions. As I say, I\u2019m trying to put them in plain English — a lot of the defense say what you and I and many of the people in your audience believe. In the case where justice William Brennan<\/a> wrote the opinion in which public school was a benefit conferred on illegal immigrants, people who are here illegally, <\/emphasize>the then-Chief Justice Warren Berger was, you know, outraged. He said: “We don\u2019t have the authority to do this. We\u2019re not a legislature. We didn\u2019t do any cost-benefit analysis. We don\u2019t raise taxes. We don\u2019t have to balance budgets,” and Brennan basically said, “Yes, we understand but, you know, these people deserve a public education,” and this is the mentality you get. Those First Amendment cases you talked about free speech, you cannot find a thread of logic in there whatsoever. That\u2019s what happens when you have these nine lawyers sitting down as if they\u2019re a PTA trying to work out things, trying to decide what they\u2019re supposed to do, and doing everything except <\/emphasize>following the Constitution. You talked about it a few weeks ago. We have five justices on the current Supreme Court, a majority, who have announced either through speeches or their opinions or both that when they see fit, they\u2019re going to look to foreign law and foreign court decisions to make their <\/emphasize>decisions. If that\u2019s not a brazen affront to the American people and doesn\u2019t undermine any notion of representative government, I don\u2019t know what does, since we have no say in what goes on in Botswana and Zimbabwe. You had that great debate between<\/a> Scalia and Breyer. Breyer <\/a>didn\u2019t make any sense in that debate. Scalia<\/a> won that debate hands down, for good reason. But the court has been doing this for decades. You have been concocting and inventing new tests. For instance, William O. Douglas<\/a> an icon on the left the longest-serving justice. He\u2019s the one that wrote that famous phrase that “specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights<\/a> have penumbras formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance.” Does that sound like a justice or does that sound like Carl Sagan<\/a>? It sounds like Carl Sagan. <\/line>RUSH: Not only that, it\u2019s something that the average American can\u2019t understand. I think part of the problem is rooted in the legalese. That\u2019s what was so great about the Breyer and Scalia debate. It was in common, everyday language, and that\u2019s why Breyer looked like an idiot, because he actually made it plain that he was hunting anywhere in the world for something that substantiated his personal view while denying throughout the whole debate that his personal view was relevant. It\u2019s why I was ecstatic when I saw this and had a chance to play the sound bites. But leads to the next question. It\u2019s a toughie, maybe, but you said this has all been going on and evolving for decades. What role have the American people played in this evolution as it\u2019s taken place?<\/line>LEVIN: Well, the American people have basically been on the sidelines. In a representative republic basically all they can do is pressure their congressmen and senators to do something about this. I think that\u2019s starting to happen. I think that they are disgusted with these lawyers — is what I call them, that\u2019s what they are — conferring without any constitutional basis due process rights on barbarians at Guantanamo Bay. Never in our history has any court, even thought <\/emphasize>about conferring due process rights on foreign enemy combatants. The Geneva Conventions<\/a> don\u2019t even confer rights on them. We have a judge two weeks ago, a Carter appointee, Judge Green<\/a>, who just announced<\/a> that they get the same due process rights as you and me and the US citizens listening to you. Now, so my question is, “What happens now?” Do they have to be Mirandaized<\/a>? Do they get to call witnesses like men and soldiers in uniform? Do we have to I can\u2019t think them off the battlefield if there\u2019s a hearing? And what go to garden-variety POWs who aren\u2019t illegal combatants, do they all get to sue in federal court? I\u2019ve never heard anything has nutty in all my life. What the American people can do is tell their congressmen and educate them and their senators, “Hey, the Constitution says you can withdraw jurisdiction from this court. You can change the membership of this court. You can determine what the lower courts are going to look like,” like that outrageous Ninth Circuit Court of Schlemiels <\/emphasize>out there. They can break up that court if they choose to. There\u2019s a lot that Congress can do.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: How? How do you get rid of a renegade Supreme Court justice, for example?<\/p>\n

LEVIN: Well, you can\u2019t really get rid of a <\/emphasize>justice. I just what we need to do is look at this as an institutional issue. How do we change the balance of power between the branches since the courts have seized power from the elected branches? One of the most irritating things is is that Congress dissents seem to want to protect its authority, does it? It seems to give up. You know if the lawyers on the Supreme Court veto a congressional act, they say, ‘Okay, we\u2019ll go back and fix it,\u2019 rather than saying, ‘You know, we have some authority here, too.\u2019 I have a couple suggestions, and it won\u2019t happen overnight, and it will require a debate, and we might as well start the debate right here on this show. First of all I think these justices should be term limited. If they\u2019re going to act like legislators and politicians and make policy decisions, there\u2019s no conceivable reason they should serve for life. Period. I think 12 years is long enough, and then we\u2019ll find somebody else. I also think that Congress… Right now Congress has the power to override a presidential veto on legislation by a two-thirds vote of both houses. The Framers were concerned the president might be too powerful. They wanted the final say with Congress, and in exceptional cases, Congress — as I say, with a supermajority — could keep the president in check. Well, I think the same thing ought to apply to Supreme Court decisions, that both houses of Congress by a vote of two-thirds, should be able to overturn or veto a Supreme Court decision that is so out of the main and in which the public is so outraged that they pressure their elected representatives to do something about it.<\/p>\n

RUSH: All right, hang on there. We\u2019ll hold you through the break here, because I want to explore both of those. We\u2019re talking with Mark Levin, author of ‘Men in Black: How to Reign in an Out-of-Control Judiciary in this Country, Predominantly the Supreme Court.\u2019<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: We are having an enlightening conversation with Mark Levin, a constitutional scholar, Landmark Legal Foundation, former chief of staff to Attorney General Ed Meese and host of his own dynamite radio program from six to eight p.m. each night on WABC AM 77 in New York. Two radical proposals that you have just put forth there, F. Lee, and you know what it adds up to — and I\u2019m not trying to suck up here. But I think, as I look at what the alternative media has done in this country and I place myself in it, but I think the thing that\u2019s really bamboozled the left and why I think your book\u2019s prescriptions will work is because we\u2019ve all focused here on the American people. This is a country that is a representative republic, and the more informed people there are and the more people with historical knowledge there are, the more pressure that will be brought to bear on the political class, or the governing class. What we do have now — and this is a great way to put it — we have government by judicial decree. We have controversial issues, political issues, such things derrick I mean one of the predominant ones that comes to mind is abortion, and it\u2019s quite simple why. Congress, over the years, has become cowardly. They don\u2019t want to take on these issues because they run for reelection. So when it comes to base closures, just as an example, they appoint a blue-ribbon panel of ex-congressmen who have nothing to risk or at stake to come in, determine what bases will be closed so that their voters in their districts cannot hold it against them if a base in that district gets closed. It\u2019s the same thing on any controversial issue. Even when it came to campaign finance reform, a lot of us were stunned. The White House seemed to say, ‘Well, let the court deal with this,\u2019 rather than take a strong anti-position on this anyway because we don\u2019t want to offend Senator McCain.<\/p>\n

LEVIN: You\u2019re exactly right, and this frustrates conservatives the most, because you and I and your audience, we celebrate <\/emphasize>the representative part of our government. We don\u2019t look down on the people. It\u2019s the left. They pretend to be worried about counting the vote, the hanging chad, the pregnant chad, whatever that is. They run it in Ohio. The president wins by 120,000 votes, even then they say, ‘Well, it\u2019s close. Let\u2019s count every vote.\u2019 Boxer is on the floor of the Senate making an ass out of herself saying what she\u2019s saying. But the funny thing is they don\u2019t really care about the elected part of the government, because, as you\u2019ve said: They can only advance their agenda through the unelected, unaccountable part of the government, which is the Supreme Court — and so what they don\u2019t <\/emphasize>want are people on the court like Robert Bork, who are actually going to look at the Constitution and try to interpret what\u2019s in the Constitution. They want radical activists to promote their agenda, agendas that they cannot get through through the elected process. This is why there\u2019s a situation now in the Senate where we have a small cabal of left-wing senators who are filibustering some of the brightest and best serious judicial candidates this president has nominated. <\/p>\n

They\u2019re doing it in an unconstitutional fashion because they\u2019re either threatening to filibuster them or they are filibustering them, and this big battle is about to explode when the president nominates somebody for the US Supreme Court. Now, here\u2019s the point about that. <\/emphasize>If the Republican leadership in the Senate doesn\u2019t have the courage to change this Senate rule — It is a Senate rule; that\u2019s all it is — and to stop the use and abuse of the filibuster against judicial nominees, then what are they doing there? If they\u2019re not going to protect the Constitution — all the other laws put aside — if they\u2019re not going to stand there and protect the Constitution, then what are they doing there? And I will tell you this. The Constitution has seven cases in which supermajorities are required. ‘Advice and consent\u2019 is not one of them, and I am so tired of Chuck Schumer getting up and saying, ‘You know, we senators have the advice and consent function.\u2019 Yes, senator, all <\/emphasize>of you do, meaning the whole Senate does. You all get to give your advice and consent. Ted Kennedy, you, Dick Durbin and Boxer don\u2019t get to decide who does and who doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What is the latest ‘nuclear\u2019 option that the Senate Republican leader, Senator Frist, says he has 51 votes to enact?<\/p>\n

LEVIN: He has 51 votes to change the rule. Now, they keep talking about it. Why don\u2019t they just do it? You know, ‘If they do this,\u2019 Harry Reid says, ‘They\u2019re going to rue the day!\u2019 Who cares what Harry Reid says? ‘Well, we\u2019re ready. We\u2019re armed. I\u2019ve got 51 votes.\u2019 Just do it! Change the rule! You know, the court is changing the Constitution without going through the amendment process every day. The Senate Democrats are undermining the Constitution every day. We hem and we haw, ‘Shall we change a Senate rule?\u2019 Now, that is a very legitimate act, as you point out. That\u2019s the constitutional option. There\u2019s nothing wrong with exercising it. This president, like every past president, has the right to leave his imprint on the judiciary. But the left is so consumed by holding onto its ideological advantage on the court that it is prepared, in my view, to lose two or three or however many red state Democrat senators because it is more important to them to hold onto that branch of government, the unelected branch of government, than it is to have two or three more senators.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s exactly right because they lose that they have lost their primary mechanism for infiltrating the society with liberalism. You know, one of the things that\u2019s frustrating to me is there\u2019s a different attitude among even conservatives — not just Republicans, but even conservatives — who live and work in Washington. There\u2019s a bit of a divide between those conservatives and those of us outside. I think we\u2019re far more confident of our position today and where we are and of the winning trend that we\u2019re on than those inside the Beltway are. Nobody that I know that I speak to in this audience is afraid of Harry Reid. We want to take him on! I don\u2019t understand — and we\u2019re not afraid of the New York Times editorial page. We\u2019re not afraid of the Washington Post editorial page, but I get the sense that inside the Beltway, and inside the governing classes, there is this concern for those liberal institutions inside the Beltway, and it causes a little trepidation, and it leads me to believe that maybe some of these elected Republicans don\u2019t really understand the full scope of the recent election results and what\u2019s gone on in Washington and in the country since 1994 when the Democrats lost the House. They haven\u2019t gotten it back. They\u2019ve lost the last two presidential elections. They lose their margin in the Senate, and their margin of defeat in the Senate continues to grow. They\u2019re not on any <\/emphasize>sort of a winning track whatsoever. It\u2019s time to hammer these people. There\u2019s not going to be a better time than we\u2019ve had now than to try to advance all these things that you\u2019re talking about, and it\u2019s going to take people in Washington to do it.<\/p>\n

LEVIN: Yeah, that\u2019s exactly right. I think there\u2019s this argument that\u2019s been out there, and it is an urban myth, that any effort for the representative branches to raise their legitimate constitutional authority and challenge the court is an attack on the court\u2019s independence. This isn\u2019t about the court\u2019s independence. This is about the Constitution. All the branches have a role, and the elites look down on the people. You hear them all the time talk about the tyranny of the majority. Well, where is this tyranny of the majority? We have a Constitution. We have two houses in Congress. We have our elections. The Senate\u2019s elected. Every two years a third of the Senate is up. Every two years every member of the House is up. We elected them. Where is this tyranny of the majority? All I see is a tyranny of a minority, <\/emphasize>the tyranny of elites, and so you have academia, mostly law schools. You have the editorial pages. You have the Washington elite. Every time the people or somebody argues that the people should have some say that they should be at the table, they say, “The sky is falling!” Well, you know what? I think from a political point of view, putting aside the law that\u2019s exactly where we want to be.<\/line>RUSH: Exactly.<\/line>LEVIN: That\u2019s exactly where our House and Senate members should want to be. We can take this case to the American of people. We need to change this paradigm. We need to begin this debate, and the court isn\u2019t handed down from God Almighty.<\/line>RUSH: Well, and especially given the current circumstances and context. There are more informed and more sophisticated of this country today than in recent years, and they react angrily and with outrage when they figure out and when they learn that they\u2019re condescended to and they\u2019re thought to be incapable of making decisions. They\u2019re incapable voting the right way, and so we have to let the court do these things because, i.e., the people are too stupid to manage their own affairs, and I think that aspect is not being capitalized enough by the elected officials in Washington. You mentioned the two third veto of Supreme Court decisions, especially when it comes to such decisions that deal strictly with political issues and not legal. You know, the Supreme Court in my mind is there to adjudicate legal disputes, not political, but it has become the final authority on political disputes. So your two-thirds veto, brilliant idea, but I\u2019m sitting here wondering who in Congress is going to take that up, and who\u2019s going to run the risk of the hell fire and brimstone that will come their way by proposing it and trying to get it done.<\/line>LEVIN: Things happen in cycles, you know? It\u2019s not going to happen tomorrow, there\u2019s no question about it, because we\u2019re talking about really changing the balance of power so that the elected branches can get back some of the power that they lost. It\u2019s something we have to be vigilant about, and I think the Supreme Court\u2019s going to help us. I think they\u2019re going to keep issuing outrageous decisions. I think same-sex marriage is down the road. Look at this last Christmas.<\/line>RUSH: Yeah.<\/line>LEVIN: I mean, you have everything from Santa Claus and Christmas trees. We have a court they couldn\u2019t muster together a majority to uphold the Pledge of Allegiance on the merits of what\u2019s in the Pledge of Allegiance — and let\u2019s look at that for a second. The “wall of separation.” This is annoying to a lot of people and very upsetting. The Framers did not want a government religion. They did not want what they had in England, where everybody is taxed to support that religion and has to be a member of that religion or they\u2019re punished, and so we\u2019ve reached the point now where it\u2019s been twisted and turned to mean what? If I don\u2019t like <\/emphasize>what\u2019s on public land and it bothers me, then I have a constitutional right to sue and get an ACLU lawyer and have it removed. Well, that\u2019s not what the Constitution says. So where does this “wall-of-separation” language come from? It doesn\u2019t come from Thomas Jefferson. It comes from Hugo Black<\/a>, in 1947 and an Everson decision<\/a>. Now, who\u2019s Hugo Black? Hugo Black was appointed by FDR. Before that he was a senator. Before that he was for a couple years an active member of the Klan, and after he became an active member of the Klan, he was a lawyer, a very good lawyer for some Klan members who committed very violent acts, including one who killed a Catholic priest. Now, when he came on the court, I don\u2019t know that he lost all those viewpoints, but in this particular decision involving public monies that incidentally would go to Catholic school children to help transport them to school, Black snuck this language into the decision: wall of separation, strict<\/emphasize> wall of separation. Now, that\u2019s not in the Constitution. That\u2019s nowhere in the Constitution. Black put it in the Constitution — excuse me — put it in this decision. So now when all these pseudo-civil libertarians are running around saying, you know, “separation of church and state,” I think our audience should remind them: You\u2019re not quoting Jefferson; you\u2019re quoting Hugo Black, the former Klansman!<\/line>RUSH: Who was a Supreme Court justice. (Laughing.) Separation of church and state. <\/line>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line>RUSH: Talking with Mark Levin, author of “Men in Black: How to Reign in an Out-of-Control Judiciary in this Country, Predominantly the Supreme Court.” It will be opening at #4 on the New York Times bestseller list, and we intend to make it here #1, ladies and gentlemen. <\/line>LEVIN: (Laughs.)<\/line>RUSH: Ah, we do. It needs to be read. We got about 3-1\/2, four minutes here. What about some of the justices? There have been some quirky, interesting personalities on the court. Give us a few examples.<\/line> LEVIN: Yeah, well, Thurgood Marshall<\/a>. I don\u2019t mean to be controversial but it is a fact. Near the end of his career on the court, apparently he spent many hours watching television, especially soap operas. People magazine, Rush, called him “a devotee of Days of Our Lives,” and he once told fellow justice, William Brennan<\/a>, that you “can learn a lot about life from soap operas.” That\u2019s why I think these guys should be term limited. William O. Douglas<\/a>, an icon of the left. Author Bruce Allen Murphy<\/a> — listen to this; this is pretty scary. It\u2019s a Clinton moment. “Just a short time after she,” this is a flight attendant, “had entered Douglas\u2019s chambers…” He invited this flight attendant to come visit him and he was going to show her the court, you know?<\/line>RUSH: Yeah.<\/line>LEVIN: So a short time after she entered his chambers men\u2019s of the staff began hearing strange sounds from inside: shouts, banging furniture and running feet. A short time later the office door flew open and out rushed the young woman her face all flushed and her clothing badly disheveled, shouting at the startled office staff how outraged and disgusted she was. Douglas, she said, had chased her around his desk, grabbing at her clothes and demanding that they go to a motel immediately for sexual liaison. <\/line>RUSH: (Laughs.)<\/line>LEVIN: I\u2019m not saying that\u2019s Douglas\u2019s entire career. I\u2019m trying to point out these are imperfect people. There was James McReynolds<\/a> appointed by Woodrow Wilson<\/a> who many people don\u2019t know was a segregationist himself. McReynolds was a racist and an anti-Semite. He said he “didn\u2019t want the court plagued with another Jew” when they were appointing Benjamin Cardozo<\/a>. Louis Brandeis<\/a> was already on there. There was no official photo for the court for 1924 because McReynolds refused to stand next to Brandeis, and he would leave the room whenever Brandeis would speak in conference. He was hostile to Benjamin Cardozo. He often held a brief or record in front of his face when Cardozo would speak from the bench. I could go on and on about people who were on the court. President Taft<\/a>. He met with eight members of the Supreme Court because one of the members was so senile, they didn\u2019t want any of their cases to come before the court because they didn\u2019t want this guy\u2019s vote to go to sway the decision one way or another. There\u2019s case after case. We have Abe Fortas<\/a> who was taking money from a convicted swindler — and the point isn\u2019t just to trash the court. The point is that the left has created this aura that is undeserved. They do not want us to look at this as a coequal branch of government. You hear it all the time, “Yes, but we need judicial review. What does the court say? What does the court say!” Sometimes we do. But what we don\u2019t need from this course is the imposition of policy positions on the American people who are capable of making them themselves.<\/line>RUSH: Mark, thanks for your time. This has been enlightening, and I\u2019m happy to have this hour with you here. I know Mark personally, and I know of this passion he has for the Constitution, and it has infected me and if you read his book, Men in Black, it can\u2019t help but infect you. The Constitution is the glue that keeps this country together, fealty to the Constitution — and that\u2019s what is really frightening with the left and the left-wing special-interest groups is that they believe the Constitution is meant to be bent and shaped to accommodate whatever their latest desires or hedonistic pursuits happen to be, and when the literal interpretation of the Constitution stands in the way of what they want then they find a way to say, “Well, the Constitution? The Founders would have never, never have written that if they knew what we were going to be experiencing in life today,” and yet the truth, ladies and gentlemen, of the Constitution is that it is — and fealty to it, that and the Declaration, our founding documents — are what have kept this country together. Many people have predicted we\u2019d go the way of Rome, that we would not survive because we would implode on ourselves. But it is fealty to the Constitution, it\u2019s why it\u2019s so crucial. It\u2019s why as many people learn about it as possible. This book is one of the best ways of doing that because, sadly, what you\u2019ve just heard in this hour is barely touched on, none <\/emphasize>of it — very little of it mentioned, even — in the public education system today. Men in Black. Mark Levin, his new book #4 on the New York Times list. Let\u2019s make it #1. Mark, thanks. <\/line>END TRANSCRIPT<\/line><\/p>\n

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