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RUSH: — those are the two countries that everybody associates with the allies we should have but don\u2019t.<\/line>GERTZ: Sure. Well, you know, we all remember back last year when the efforts prior to the Iraq war, how France and Russia and Germany and China were opposing the United States in its efforts to try to resolve the thing peacefully. This is really an expos?. It\u2019s an important book because it highlights how these so-called friends and allies were really helping our enemies. It focuses a lot on Iraq but it also looks at other rogue states — namely North Korea, Iran, Syria — and how these states were able to align themselves with our so-called friends and get valuable weapons and weapons technology, which has been or can be used against us. In the case of France, I think this is the most egregious example. I report on the story&lt;\/a> of an A-10, Air Force A-10 pilot, who was shot down by a Roland missile, a French-made Roland missile.<\/line>RUSH: Where?<\/line>GERTZ: This was near Baghdad in April of 2003 as he was flying close air support for our troops.<\/line>RUSH: Yeah, the A-10 is the Warthog<\/a>.<\/line>GERTZ: Yeah, and you can imagine his “disgust.” That was the word that a lot of military people I talked to used in describing how they kept finding all of this French military equipment that was in new condition, and another big story was the fact that the French government provided passports to Saddam\u2019s henchmen. This was based on some military intelligence —<\/line>RUSH: What, to get out of the country?<\/line>GERTZ: Yeah, to help. They helped Saddam\u2019s henchmen flee the country, and they found about a dozen blank French passports in one of the burned-out ministries in Baghdad and then later on —<\/line>RUSH: What route? Did they go through Syria? How did they get out?<\/line>GERTZ: Yes, they were in Damascus. They were seen in Damascus with their mustaches shaved off —<\/line>RUSH: Ha-ha!<\/line>GERTZ: — having these French — passports and it got them into just about any EU country and they\u2019re still looking for these people.<\/line>RUSH: How hard was it for you? I don\u2019t mean this, Bill, to reflect on your reporting. Your reporting is renowned and well documented. How hard was it for you to learn this stuff?<\/line>GERTZ: Well, we say in the news business, “You\u2019re only as good as your sources,” and I\u2019ve been very lucky over the years to have a lot of good sources in government who feel it\u2019s important that a lot of this stuff which was being swept under the rug for a number of diplomatic reasons to get this information out, and I was very lucky to get some of that and track it down and get the full story.<\/line>RUSH: When you say there “were government sources trying to protect this for diplomatic reasons,” I\u2019m assuming… When I hear “diplomatic,” I hear “state department.”<\/line>GERTZ: Yes. For the most part it was the state department. They came down hard on other branches of the government, particularly the Pentagon, not to make an issue of the fact that France, Russia, Germany and China were helping Saddam\u2019s military arm itself.<\/line>RUSH: Now, Bill, you are predominantly, your source is predominantly in the Pentagon. You\u2019re a great defense reporter, but you branch out. You know, based on what I\u2019ve learned from reading your books and just from paying attention, the state department — I will use this term loosely to make the point — but the state department almost appears at times to be a rogue department or rogue agency in that it is seemingly at odds with the administration, this administration\u2019s policy, since Bush has been in office. I remember many leaks about war plans prior to Iraq showing up in the New York Times, Washington Post, can be traced back to the state department, some of them the personal injury Pentagon, but is this correct? Is the state department still an obstacle for President Bush?<\/line>GERTZ: Yes, pretty much. It\u2019s the state department bureaucracy for the most part. They had their own agenda like in the case of North Korea. I point out in the book how, in the past, rather than undermine their 1994 agreement with North Korea — which the North Koreans violated and led to the current nuclear crisis — they would try to counterbalance intelligence information showing that the North Koreans were cheating by presenting it to the North Koreans and then having them say, “Oh, we didn\u2019t do that,” and then they\u2019d say, “Well, it\u2019s a wash. The North Koreans say no. The intelligence community says yes.”<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, that just is impossible to believe. I mean, for a decent, hard-working American who gets up every day thinking everybody in America wants America to win, that\u2019s just hard to believe.<\/line>GERTZ: Well, you know, for a lot of these people getting the agreement is the most important thing, and in the case of that \u201994 agreement, they tried everything they could — that is, the state department arms control people — to keep that agreement in place, even though —<\/line>RUSH: Why?<\/line>GERTZ: Well, they just — it\u2019s the whole point of “an agreement is an end in itself.” When the intelligence showed that the North Koreans were building a uranium enrichment program outside of this agreement, it was unwelcome news and they didn\u2019t like it. They tried —<\/line><\/line>RUSH: Unwelcome news.<\/line>GERTZ: Yes.<\/line>RUSH: Well. Unwelcome news.<\/line>GERTZ: Yeah.<\/line>RUSH: And so what did they do? So it\u2019s not welcome. So they had to find a way to get the North Koreans out of the jam they were in by having cheated?<\/line>GERTZ: Yeah, but in this case, this was in October of \u201902. The North Koreans didn\u2019t play along. They admitted that they were violating the agreement, and that led us to the current nuclear crisis.<\/line>RUSH: Now, what role — let me go back to the beginning of this because the North Korea thing was prominent in the debate the other night. In fact, let me ask you the question, and I gotta go to a commercial break so I don\u2019t have enough time, I\u2019ve decided, to get into some detail with you here, but most people think that the North Korea deal was this, that the Clinton administration decided to be good guys and compassionate as liberals are, and they saw this decrepit down-in-the-dumps country couldn\u2019t feed its people, decided we\u2019d be nice guys and share nuclear technology but they had to promise they would only develop that technology for the purposes and the production of power to benefit their citizenry — and then, lo and behold, we learn at some point later on that they broke that agreement and started manufacturing nuclear material with the nuclear material we gave them, and that we acted shocked and Madeleine Albright said, “We got tricked,” and that this all started in the Clinton administration. The question is: Is that an accurate summary of what happened? <\/line>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/line>RUSH: We\u2019re now back joined by Bill Gertz speaking to us from a secret location in Washington. He\u2019s a reporter for the Washington Times. What about this North Korea story? Is it that simple as I just summarized it for you?<\/line>GERTZ: Well, you know, it was. The fact is, even after the \u201994 agreement which had no verification procedures at all, which was really an effort to try and buy off the North Koreans to try to prevent them from making nuclear weapons, and —<\/line>RUSH: Now, Bill, wait, wait. I know you\u2019re not in government, but you know these people better than any of us do. How in the world…? You\u2019re dealing with communists! We know through experience that communists lie, and we know who they are. We know it\u2019s a small country that is vulnerable. It doesn\u2019t have really any military other than these marching guys that run around, and they\u2019re the only ones that eat over there. So we give them nuclear material, ostensibly for a power program with no verification they\u2019re going to keep their promise?<\/line>GERTZ: That\u2019s exactly what happened. I mean, it really went against everything we learned in the Cold War, that you cannot trust communist governments to abide by agreements. You know, the U.S. abides by them, but the communist agreements are violated from the beginning, and in fact, I even got hold of a CIA report from the late 90s which said that, estimated that they were not going to abide by the agreement and that\u2019s exactly what happened, and —<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I coulda told them that! They didn\u2019t need the CIA for it. You could have told them.<\/line>GERTZ: Yes, exactly. So, anyway, in the debate the other night this came up and, you know, they tried to talk about how the Chinese were helping us, but, you know, that\u2019s another myth, too, is that the Chinese are not really helping us. They\u2019re helping their fraternal communist allies in North Korea under the guise of pretending to be an honest broker in the nuclear talks.<\/line>RUSH: Well, so now the North Koreans are producing nukes and have whatever quantity, four to seven missiles that are capable of being launched some distance, calling on you for an opinion here. What is the solution to this now?<\/line>GERTZ: Well, you know, that is a big question, and my view is that this notion that we\u2019re going to provide them with some kind of security guarantees. That\u2019s what the North Koreans have been asking for, somehow a promise that they won\u2019t be attacked. You know, that would be totally foolish and contrary to all of our values. People in the Pentagon have the right —<\/line>RUSH: Wait. What would they give up for that? I mean if —<\/line>GERTZ: Well, they would again pretend to give up their nuclear program for a second time.<\/line>RUSH: (Laughing.) “Pretend.” Okay, good.<\/line>GERTZ: But a lot of people in the Pentagon are pushing this idea that we need regime change, and this, you know, fits into with my solution to the proliferation problem. We need better covert capabilities, you know, the middle ground between having to send in the 82nd Airborne or, on the other end, using ineffective diplomacy. Whether it\u2019s ineffective sanctions or agreements that are violated, we need to develop a much better covert action capability, and kind of use the same tools that our military is using in the war on terrorism, use it against proliferators like North Korea.<\/line>RUSH: They are one of the original Axis of Evil countries —<\/line>GERTZ: Yes, absolutely.<\/line>RUSH: — and as such, need to be dealt with in the same fashion. Well, clearly, based on what you\u2019ve described, the John Kerry proposal of “bilateral talks” meaning just them and us will lead to more of the same deception?<\/line>GERTZ: Yes, it would be a disaster. I mean, Bill Clinton\u2019s administration was working on a summit right toward the end of his term. We all remember how Madeleine Albright went to Pyongyang and was feted by Kim Jong ll at these big banquets, and all the while this is a regime that has starved its people and is selling nuclear and missile technology. You know, I interviewed the commander of U.S. military forces in South Korea, General Leon LaPorte<\/a>. He made an amazing observation. He said, “It\u2019s been his observation that North Korea would not hesitate to sell a nuclear device to Al-Qaeda terrorists” That\u2019s the nature of the regime up there in Pyongyang.<\/line>RUSH: Well, it\u2019s the nature of all of them. I mean, they all look at us as the #1 enemy they have, and anybody that\u2019s an enemy of us is a friend of theirs. See, that\u2019s the thing. We knew that Al-Qaeda was in Singapore; they\u2019re in the Philippines; Al-Qaeda was in Tora Bora; Al-Qaeda was in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Al-Qaeda is in Iran. Al-Qaeda is in Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaeda is in south Florida — but they were never in Iraq? <\/line>GERTZ: Hm-hm.<\/line>RUSH: Amazing.<\/line>GERTZ: Yeah.<\/line>RUSH: What about Germany? Let\u2019s go back to the treachery business here. Germany.<\/line>GERTZ: Sure.<\/line>RUSH: What kind of aid and comfort, say, to Iraq did Germany provide?<\/line><\/p>\n

GERTZ: Well, Germany it turns out — and I highlight this in the book — was really the shopping mart for rogue states, and Iraq was no exception. The Iraqis obtained some incredibly valuable military technology from the Germans, including technology from our Stinger missiles that was obtained by some German contractors who were working for U.S. military in Germany, and that technology was passed along to the Iraqis and it helped to develop a surface-to-air missile, kind of a hybrid missile that the Pentagon found after the major combat ended, and it had our own technology in it, compliments of lax German export controls.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (Exhale) Well, how many pages is this book, Bill?<\/p>\n

GERTZ: Two-eighty-eight.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And it\u2019s filled with this kind of stuff — and again, I don\u2019t mean this — and I need to hold you through the break here if you have time.<\/p>\n

GERTZ: Sure.<\/p>\n

RUSH: But I just… The fact that this, in what I consider to be a — I don\u2019t know what I consider, but after your book comes out, this seems to me to be the kind of stuff that ought to be popularized, broadcast all over the place. The fact it\u2019s only still in your book is quite telling.<\/p>\n

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RUSH: We continue our conversation with Bill Gertz. His new book: ‘Treachery, How America\u2019s Friends and Foes are Secretly Arming Our Enemies.\u2019 Bill, when are your three days on the Today Show scheduled?<\/p>\n

GERTZ: I haven\u2019t made it on any of the broadcast shows, unfortunately.<\/p>\n

RUSH: See, that\u2019s what I mean. I don\u2019t know if you\u2019ve had a chance to be listening today, but it seems to me that more and more elements of what we call the — what I call the — partisan media become more a transcript service than actually journalists. I mean, AP just basically regurgitates whatever Kerry-Edwards says. This book is blockbuster, is dynamite. It undermines virtually every charge made when Kerry starts talking about how we need to build alliances with these countries that are selling us out and actually working against our interests in the war on terror. It seems like this would be big news to people who are generally interested in big news, but none of the broadcast networks have even called you?<\/p>\n

GERTZ: No. No. Been on a few cable shows, but it\u2019s hard to get this there. Of course, they seem more than willing to have the left on there like Seymour Hirsch who has some pretty wild and unverified claims about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal on, but of course he gets an open door to a lot of the liberal media.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I\u2019m sure your publisher, though, contacts these people and offers you as a guest and they don\u2019t get any takers obviously?<\/p>\n

GERTZ: Yeah. Yeah. It\u2019s getting out there by word-of-mouth and, you know, I kind of describe it as ‘red meat for the red part of the country,\u2019 and a lot of people out the there are really interested in this. You know, I could say the Bush administration has tried to sweep a lot of this under the rug. They don\u2019t want to point the finger at our allies, and I think if we don\u2019t <\/emphasize>expose this they\u2019re going to do it again, and it will be with Syria or Iran or North Korea.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, explain to people, because this audience is comprised of a lot of people that love George Bush, and hope to see him reelected, and as such have a lot of animus toward France and Germany. When they hear you say that this administration is trying to sweep a lot of this under the rug, I\u2019m sure they\u2019re scratching their heads and screaming, ‘Why?\u2019<\/p>\n

GERTZ: Well, like I said, I think it\u2019s the diplomats get the upper hand and in this case the state department has kind of put out the word. You know, Rumsfeld has been kind of muzzled on this. A lot of the military people, even during the conflict with Iraq in the early part, you know, I had information about how the Russians were supplying electronic jammers to the Iraqis and were actually working with the Iraqi military during the March 2003 invasion, and they didn\u2019t want to make a point of highlighting what the Russians were doing, and, you know, it\u2019s a big problem because, you know, like I said: If we don\u2019t hold these governments accountable they\u2019re just going to ignore the efforts to try to stop these arms sales in the future.<\/line>RUSH: What do you think the thinking is? Is it perhaps the administration thinks Iraq is something we\u2019ll eventually prevail on, and it\u2019s not worth making enemies over that? We\u2019re going to need Russia, France, and Germany down the road, years and years down the road, and it\u2019s not worth arranging them permanently over something like this? I can\u2019t —<\/line>GERTZ: Yeah, I think that\u2019s it, and particularly in the political campaign season is here you have, you know, John — Senator Kerry talking about having “a more sensitive war against terrorism.” Now, he didn\u2019t mean being more sensitive to the terrorists. He meant being more sensitive to these countries, and I think that maybe perhaps the Bush administration is reluctant to take on these allies and try to pretend that they didn\u2019t really oppose us in the weeks and months leading up to the Iraq war.<\/line>RUSH: One of the things about the state department that I have to ask you, because every time I\u2019ve spoken to you about one of your books, the state department seems to figure prominently in the problems that we have around world and some of these skirmishes where it seems to me our national security is the on the line. Why is it — and I\u2019ve heard this about the state department as long as I\u2019ve been alive — why is it that no administration, Republican or Democrat, can get a handle on the state department and bring them under control, for lack of a better phrase?<\/line>GERTZ: Well, one word: bureaucracy. This is a big problem, and it\u2019s the problem in the intelligence community and it\u2019s the problem at the state department. The bureaucracy loses sight in many respects of its overall mission, which is to support the United States and its foreign policy —<\/line>RUSH: How can that happen?<\/line>GERTZ: — security objectives. Bureaucracies tend to turn in themselves. They focus more on their own personnel. They focus on the tough turf, and in the case of the diplomats it\u2019s always, “Let\u2019s get along with other nations rather than holding them accountable for selling weapons and technology to rogue states.”<\/line>RUSH: Well, now, that — you know, when I watch Richard Holbrooke, that makes total sense what you\u2019ve just said. That seems to be his objective. Let\u2019s not make anybody mad. Let\u2019s make sure that we sought peaceful relations when I go talk to them. Let\u2019s make sure that I can come out of there and say, “I got an agreement.” But he\u2019s an appointed guy.<\/line>GERTZ: Yes.<\/line>RUSH: By “bureaucracy” you\u2019re talking about career people who are there regardless of who\u2019s in the White House.<\/line>GERTZ: And the other thing is there\u2019s this liberal notion of “multipolarity.” It\u2019s big in France. It\u2019s big in Russia. It\u2019s big in China.<\/line>RUSH: What is it?<\/line>GERTZ: Multipolarity is this idea that you need to have several centers of power in the world, and the fact of the matter is we are it. We\u2019re the only superpower in the world today, and they don\u2019t like that, and they\u2019re working against us, and the reason that they\u2019re working against us — that often translates into supporting our enemies, including with arms transfers, and —<\/line>RUSH: Okay, so when Madeleine Albright laments that we are the lone superpower and that this causes an imbalance, this is what she\u2019s talking about, multipolarity?<\/line>GERTZ: Exactly, and mind you, thank God we\u2019re the only superpower. The alternative would be: “Would we want China to be that or Russia?” Absolutely not.<\/line>RUSH: Well, then you\u2019ve got to come up with some distorted concept of moral equivalence.<\/line>GERTZ: Yes, and it doesn\u2019t matter who\u2019s right or wrong to the multipolarity view. It\u2019s just the point is that stability requires that there be many centers of power. So that that\u2019s really at the core of the anti-Americanism of the French in particular and the Chinese as well.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, now, I really don\u2019t mean to be partisan with this, but I know that among conservatives that\u2019s not <\/emphasize>the view of the United States in the world, but it is the view of liberals. So is it safe to say the state department has been co-opted by liberal bureaucracy, not just the bureaucracy?<\/line>GERTZ: Yes, absolutely, there\u2019s no question, and that\u2019s true also for the intelligence community, as we\u2019re seeing this vociferous battling going on with the White House. You know, recently the Washington Post had &lt;a target=new href=”http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/articles\/A63481-2004Sep30.html”>an article&lt;\/a> complaining about how the new CIA director brought some Hill staffers. Of course they never complained about that when John Deutsch, the Clinton administration CIA director, brought over a number of Hill staffers when he <\/emphasize>took over the agency. So that\u2019s the problem is that they have a culturally liberal view, which is fundamentally anti-conservative, above all.<\/line> RUSH: So Porter Goss, that makes sense, then. The moment he was nominated, the cry he was, “He\u2019s partisan!” You can\u2019t have somebody partisan in the CIA because the partisans are already there and they didn\u2019t like his partisanship because it was at odds with theirs.<\/line>GERTZ: That\u2019s exactly right, and in the case of Porter Goss, the bureaucracy kind of breathed a sigh of relief when he got the nod for the CIA job because among Capitol Hill people, he was seen as among the most sympathetic to the CIA. I mean, you know, I knew people who told me that he would even try to change things in legislation so that the CIA wouldn\u2019t have to do even the most rudimentary things like having to standardize the Arabic spellings of names, which would make it a lot easier to track these terrorists when they try to get in our country.<\/line>RUSH: Well, this doesn\u2019t sound like we have much of a chance in the long haul.<\/line>GERTZ: Well, I think we\u2019re making progress. In the war on terrorism, I think the biggest deficiency right now is the war of ideas. You know, we\u2019ve got to get a handle on that. We\u2019re doing good on the military side; we\u2019re doing okay on the law enforcement and intelligence side, but using ideas against the Islamist extremists is what we really need to improve on.<\/line>RUSH: Before I let you go, you got &lt;a target=new href=”http:\/\/washingtontimes.com\/national\/20041005-022528-7849r.htm”>a story today&lt;\/a> in the paper about Saddam\u2019s misuse of the oil-for-food program, and it specifically states that materiel that he purchased actually now ends up now being used militarily by the Fedayeen — the terrorists that are called the insurgents —<\/line>GERTZ: Yes.<\/line>RUSH: — against our troops. So oil-for-food scandal has now bled over and money generated by that program is being used against us.<\/line>GERTZ: Huge scandal and there\u2019s a hearing today on this that\u2019s bringing out that information —<\/line>RUSH: Is that the Chris Shays committee?<\/line>GERTZ: Yes and it\u2019s showing how the French and the Russians blocked the United States from trying to get a diplomatic solution to the Iraq problem, because Saddam owed them, you know, four billion in the case of France and eight billion in the case of Russia for all the weapons. So they were basically backing Saddam because they wanted to get their money back.<\/line>RUSH: How were they going to pay that, with oil futures or something?<\/line>GERTZ: Exactly. Saddam had a scam where he gave vouchers to his friends that allowed them to buy, say, a million barrels of oil, and of course they couldn\u2019t use that so they\u2019d sell that voucher to an oil broker and make upwards of 200,000. The scandal was in the billions of dollars that he was able to use. In one case, new information that I had in the paper today showed that the Fedayeen Saddam, the terrorists loyal to Saddam actually purchased motorcycles that they used in attacks on our forces.<\/line>RUSH: Well, now, this story is bleeding beyond the pages of the Washington Times.<\/line>GERTZ: Yes.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: Finally. This story. Chris Shays is on this. Now, where do you expect, regardless… I mean, I don\u2019t know if this — does the future of this story have any tie to who wins the presidential election?<\/line>GERTZ: Well, I think it certainly does, especially when, you know, the Kerry policy and all the Kerry advisors have been saying that the U.S. needs some kind of “global test” and that infers that they have to go along with what the United Nations wants. I think the UN — this oil-for-food scandal has put the UN in a crisis. I mean, their credibility and integrity is on the line because —<\/line>RUSH: When has it not been? See, but when has it not been? The UN has had no credibility to most reasonable people in I don\u2019t know how long. This is only going to make it worse but —<\/line>GERTZ: They did one thing well and that was during the Korean War. They came to the aid of the South Koreans.<\/line>RUSH: Well, great, how long ago was that?<\/line>GERTZ: \u201953. Fifty years ago.<\/line>RUSH: Yes. (Laughs) That\u2019s quite a record. Bill, before I let you go, just divorced from everything we talked about, do you have a feel for the debate tonight?<\/line>GERTZ: You know, I traveled with the vice president to China last April, and I think it\u2019s going to be a donnybrook because both the vice presidential candidates are feisty, and I know that Cheney is going to come out swinging and, of course, Edwards is going to try his best to land some blows, and I think it should be an interesting debate.<\/line>RUSH: Yeah, well, I hope they follow through, the Edwards people, on their pledge to bring up Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, because this oil-for-food program alone — and also to try to say, Tad “Perhaps a Tad Too” Devine was asked about it. “You going to bring up Halliburton?” He said, “Yeah, probably not as much as Cheney brings up 9\/11,” as though they\u2019re comparable!<\/line>GERTZ: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it should be real interesting to see how Edwards is going to try to use that. You know, they\u2019ve been trying to make Halliburton into some kind of evil empire when in fact, you know, for several administrations Halliburton has supported the military as part of the whole outsourcing and logistics support.<\/line>RUSH: Yeah. Clinton gave a bunch of no-bid deals, too, didn\u2019t he?<\/line>GERTZ: Yeah.<\/line>RUSH: I mean, they\u2019re the only ones that do what they do.<\/line>GERTZ: Yes.<\/line>RUSH: You can\u2019t farm it out to anybody in France. Well, France does have a Halliburton type, but it doesn\u2019t compare. Bill, I\u2019ve got to run. I appreciate your time. Best of luck to you.<\/line>GERTZ: Thank you very much, Rush.<\/line>RUSH: Bill Gertz, the author of “Treachery: How America\u2019s Friends and Foes are Secretly Arming Our Enemies.” You need courage to read this book. <\/line>END TRANSCRIPT<\/line><\/p>\n

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