{"id":215256,"date":"2016-12-23T18:05:31","date_gmt":"2016-12-23T23:05:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/172.24.32.11\/daily\/2016\/12\/23\/did_buckley_have_regrets_about_vidal_\/"},"modified":"2017-01-09T13:56:13","modified_gmt":"2017-01-09T18:56:13","slug":"did_buckley_have_regrets_about_vidal_","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2016\/12\/23\/did_buckley_have_regrets_about_vidal_\/","title":{"rendered":"Did Buckley Have Regrets About Vidal?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>RUSH: To Allen Park, Michigan. This is Patricia, and I\u2019m glad you called.&nbsp; How are you?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; Hi, Rush.&nbsp; I\u2019m fine.&nbsp; Thank you.&nbsp; And, Rush, you are America\u2019s sane space. Thank you, and Merry Christmas.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Sane space.&nbsp; I like that.&nbsp; Yeah, the only three hours where things appear to be normal consistently.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; In my life, well.<\/p>\n<p><img id=\"eZObject_132469\" class=\"img_middle\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/Buckley-Vidal.jpg\" align=\"middle\">RUSH:&nbsp; You\u2019re welcome.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; Rush, I know you knew William F. Buckley and his works, and after having recently watched a documentary of the 1968 debates between Buckley and Gore Vidal during the presidential nominating conventions, I was curious about your thoughts as to why years after the debate Buckley, at least according to the documentary, was so upset and consumed by his remarks toward Vidal.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Well, first place, where do you get that he was upset and consumed by his remarks toward Gore Vidal?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; Well, that was according to the documentary, and at the time &#8212; and this was a couple of weeks ago we saw it on a PBS program, and I just thought, you know, that the media even back then making more of a dustup just because Buckley &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Did you actually hear Buckley say it or did the narrator say it?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; The narrator indicated that after Buckley had made his remark something about, you know, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I\u2019ll stock you in the G-D face.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Wait, wait.&nbsp; It\u2019s worse than that.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; I can\u2019t remember what it was, a few weeks ago &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Well, he called him the F-word for homosexual.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; Oh, that\u2019s right.&nbsp; That\u2019s right.&nbsp; He started off with that.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/CzgfQvB2dvA\" width=\"585\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Gore Vidal called him a crypto-Nazi and Buckley said he would punch him in the face, you GDF, or punch you in the G-D face, you-whatever. Look, I have never heard &#8212; now, I haven\u2019t spent a lot of time or didn\u2019t spend a lot of time talking to Mr. Buckley about this particular episode.&nbsp; I never heard him express regret over anything that he had said or done.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; Well, they indicated that at least &#8212; again, according to the documentary, that he swore he\u2019d never talk about it again, he was so upset by, I guess his performance, if you will, or, you know &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; No, no, no.&nbsp; Look, I\u2019m gonna summarily reject that based on my knowledge of him, and this is the first I\u2019ve heard of it.&nbsp; The only thing that I heard that\u2019s remotely close to this &#8212; and, by the way, you\u2019ve got to allow that I might be incorrect about this, \u2019cause I haven\u2019t spoken to him personally about this particular episode, but I\u2019m very familiar with it, and I\u2019ll be able to find this out in short order if anybody over there is still working today, or this week.&nbsp; But if there was any truth to the fact that he didn\u2019t want to talk about it, it\u2019s that he\u2019s just tired of talking about it.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>And I don\u2019t think &#8212; somebody like Buckley, there may have been some regret that Gore Vidal had goaded him into using language like that, but the desire not to talk about it I think was more a desire to not be defined by it.&nbsp; Look, what more is there to say about this?&nbsp; There were many other aspects to his career.&nbsp; The people that are doing documentaries like this would love to be able to portray that Gore Vidal was the superior correct being in this episode and that Buckley was the ne\u2019er-do-well, low-rent whatever, and forever regretted it. I think actually &#8212; well, maybe I\u2019m on thin ice here, but my basic memory is that he wasn\u2019t embarrassed about this at all.<\/p>\n<p><img id=\"eZObject_132509\" class=\"img_right\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/105087981_large.jpg\" alt=\"large\" align=\"right\">CALLER:&nbsp; Oh, they made a big to-do that he was and like you say, Gore Vidal looked like he smelled like a rose coming out of it.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Well, in this documentary?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; In this documentary, yeah.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; What are you doing watching a PBS documentary anyway?&nbsp; Just because you\u2019re fascinated by Buckley?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; That\u2019s the only reason why I watched it. I happened to be flipping flew and I saw the title, when I saw Buckley\u2019s name I thought, &#8220;Oh, okay I\u2019m gonna listen to this,&#8221; that\u2019s why I watched it.&nbsp; PBS is okay for some things.&nbsp; You know.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; I\u2019ll find out.&nbsp; I may not be able to find out today but I will find out. Has it upset you?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; Well, it just troubled me because I thought, you know, I\u2019ve always thought of Buckley as a very, you know, genteel sort of man in the way he spoke and so forth and so &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Well, he was, but Gore Vidal was an SOB.&nbsp; He was not a nice guy. Gore Vidal was a bitter, angry, arrogant, condescending &#8212; nobody ought feel any regret over any of that.&nbsp; Look, only because of the constraints of time I have to end.&nbsp; I\u2019m not being rude or running away from it, but I still have to ask you, what kind of iPhone do you want, a 7 or a 7 Plus?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; You know, I\u2019ve never owned an Apple product, so this is kind of exciting for me, Rush.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Wow.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; 7 Plus, please.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; All right.&nbsp; Now, do you have a cell phone now, and what carrier?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; It\u2019s a Samsung, and it\u2019s AT&amp;T.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; AT&amp;T.&nbsp; Fine.&nbsp; Okay.&nbsp; So you have a color preference?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:&nbsp; If you have the jet black left &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; I do.&nbsp; It\u2019s gonna be SIM-free, it\u2019s unlocked, it\u2019ll work on AT&amp;T or any other carrier you want to sign up with, including AT&amp;T.&nbsp; Hang on while we get your address, and I\u2019ll find out the answer to your question.<\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: We\u2019ve got the audio sound bite here, we\u2019ve got a clip from the Buckley-Gore Vidal debate.&nbsp; It happened August 28, 1968, it was on ABC TV.&nbsp; Buckley did not use the F-word, he used the Q-word.&nbsp; Called him a GDQ.&nbsp; You\u2019ll hear it here coming in a second.&nbsp; I did a little research.&nbsp; This thing is running on Netflix.&nbsp; I remember when it came out.&nbsp; I haven\u2019t seen it.&nbsp; It\u2019s got all kinds of people thinking it\u2019s great and it\u2019s wonderful and it\u2019s not a hit piece and that\u2019s fine and dandy.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>But I read some things about it. There was a review by James Rosen at Fox News and a review by a guy named Michael Lindh, L-i-n-d-h.&nbsp; A little bit about him, not that it\u2019s relevant to anything.&nbsp; But Michael Lindh at one time was thought to be the new Buckley.&nbsp; He was the wunderkind. Henry Kissinger thought he was the greatest thing in the world. Buckley thought he was the greatest thing in the world. National Review, a bunch of people, and then he went and disappointed everybody.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>He was not what they thought him to be.&nbsp; They thought he was brilliant and analytical.&nbsp; It\u2019s a very rare bunch of air that people in this group breathe.&nbsp; Kissinger was in it, Buckley, some others, and he was identified, and he ended up being a disappointment.&nbsp; Now he\u2019s more of a moderate, slash, progressive, if anything, and he wrote a review, and his was at Politico.&nbsp; I\u2019ve read these two reviews.&nbsp; The National Review article was about 50 pages long and I haven\u2019t been able to go through all of that, but I can\u2019t find anybody by name who has said that this was one of the greatest regrets of Buckley\u2019s life.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Now, what the documentary did have was a bunch of modern-day pundits weighing in on their thoughts on both Vidal and Buckley, and maybe one of those people who claimed to know Buckley told the producers of the documentary that Buckley regretted this more than anything else in his career.&nbsp; And so the narrator, the script writer, put it in, but I can\u2019t find anybody in the documentary actually having said that other than the narrator.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>But I\u2019m not through with my &#8212; \u2019cause there are people at National Review that will know, and I don\u2019t have time to get a hold of them here.&nbsp; Not that I can\u2019t, I just don\u2019t have time right now.&nbsp; But I\u2019m gonna find out about this, only to satisfy the caller, not because I care about the documentary.&nbsp; Here is the bite.&nbsp; It runs a little over a minute long, the famous exchange the caller was talking about.<\/p>\n<p>VIDAL: &nbsp;You must realize what some of the political issues are here, the many &#8212;&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BUCKLEY: &nbsp;(Unintelligible)&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>VIDAL: &nbsp;&#8212; people in the United States happen to believe that United States policy is wrong in Vietnam and the Vietcong are correct in wanting to organize their country in their own way politically. &nbsp;This happens to be pretty much the opinion of western Europe and the other parts of the world. &nbsp;If it is a novelty in Chicago, that is too bad, but I assume that the point of American democracy &#8212;<img id=\"eZObject_132510\" class=\"img_right\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/105087952_large.jpg\" alt=\"large\" align=\"right\"><\/p>\n<p>BUCKLEY: &nbsp;And some people were pro-Nazi, too.VIDAL: &nbsp;&#8212; is you can express any point of view you want.&nbsp;BUCKLEY: &nbsp;Some people were pro-Nazi.<\/p>\n<p>VIDAL: &nbsp;Shut up a minute. &nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BUCKLEY: &nbsp;No, I won\u2019t. &nbsp;Some people were pro-Nazi and the answer is that they were &#8212; they were well treated by people who ostracized them, and I\u2019m for ostracizing people who egg on other people to shoot American Marines and American soldiers. &nbsp;I know you don\u2019t care &#8212;&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>VIDAL: &nbsp;As far as I\u2019m concerned, the only crypto-Nazi I can think of is yourself. &nbsp;Failing that &#8212; &nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BUCKLEY: &nbsp;Now, listen you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>VIDAL: &nbsp;Let\u2019s stop calling names.<\/p>\n<p>BUCKLEY: &nbsp;&#8212; or I\u2019ll sock you in your goddamn face and you\u2019ll stay plastered.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>MODERATOR: &nbsp;Gentlemen, let\u2019s &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>BUCKLEY: &nbsp;&#8212; go back to his pornography and stop making any allusions of Nazism to someone who was infantry in the last war.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; That\u2019s Buckley there going after Gore Vidal.&nbsp; I have to tell you, I\u2019ve not ever heard anybody nor Buckley himself say anything like that this is the most regrettable event in his career, but there are people who would know better than I so we will find out. But that\u2019s what the caller was talking about, it was on ABC TV.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think it was Dick Cavett that was the moderator, but might have been \u2019cause he had a show back then on ABC.&nbsp; They were going up against The Tonight Show and Johnny Carson.&nbsp; Dick Cavett\u2019s like 5\u20192.&nbsp; If he played third base &#8212; well, he couldn\u2019t because he couldn\u2019t see over the pitcher\u2019s mound to throw to first.&nbsp; But a tiny little guy back there and he was highly, highly, you know, Hamptons intellectual, and they were going up against the Tonight Show with this.&nbsp; I think this was a special. It might have been a Firing Line thing, but that was on PBS.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:&nbsp; Okay.&nbsp; Talked to Rich Lowry back at National Review.&nbsp; Buckley did regret it.&nbsp; It was special election coverage 1968.&nbsp; Howard K. Smith, remember Howard K. Smith, he was the moderator, ABC special election coverage \u201968 campaign, that\u2019s why the reference to Chicago in the clip.&nbsp; What Buckley regretted was the use of the word &#8220;queer&#8221; and tried to write his way out of the episode, is what I was told.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>So the documentary was correct.&nbsp; I don\u2019t know to what degree.&nbsp; The caller said that it was Buckley\u2019s lifelong regret that he never got over, and I don\u2019t know if that was the case.&nbsp; I mean, when I was around him he didn\u2019t seem to regret it.&nbsp; He wasn\u2019t carrying it around as a burden, but nevertheless he did regret it, apparently the use of the word queer in talking about Mr. Vidal.&nbsp; That word is not even used anymore.&nbsp; I mean, they do.&nbsp; It\u2019s kind of like &#8212; there\u2019s no point in &#8212; don\u2019t even suck me into this.&nbsp; There\u2019s no reason going there.&nbsp; Explain the answer to the question, that\u2019s it.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>RUSH: Talked to Rich Lowry back at National Review.  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