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RUSH: From the e-mail: “Dear Rush, you are truly a brilliant man in regard to politics and business, but you are way off base in thinking that consensus isn\u2019t important in science. This is probably related to your lack of formal education. It isn\u2019t necessary for everything, Rush, as you have so ably shown, but it\u2019s useful for some things, science isn\u2019t at all the way you probably taught in high school. What science is is an attempt to understand things. A given group of data may be interpreted in several ways by multiple observers. ‘Consensus\u2019 is definitely important in that the more observers– i.e., scientists– that agree with a given interpretation, the more likely said the interpretation is accurate. <\/p>\n

“Although, this is not guaranteed. The crowd has been found to be wrong occasionally.” Do you believe this? (laughing) You know, throughout the history of this program, whenever I would talk about science, the e mails would erupt with people — some of them not as nice as this guy, but all of them as arrogant. “Shut up! You don\u2019t know what you\u2019re talking about. You start talking about science and you make a fool of yourself.” So, here\u2019s this guy. Let me read it to you again. “What science is is an attempt to understand things. A given group of data may be interpreted in several ways by multiple observers. ‘Consensus\u2019 is definitely important in that the more observers– i.e., scientists– that agree with a given interpretation, the more likely said the interpretation is accurate. <\/p>\n

“Although, this is not guaranteed. The crowd has been found to be wrong occasionally.” Well, this is precisely my point: There…is…no…proof! There is no scientific unarguable, unalterable law that says, “Manmade global warming is happening,” and yet to this guy we just have to accept that because a bunch of scientists think it is. Now, I\u2019m sorry, “consensus” has no role in real science. Scientific discovery isn\u2019t up to a vote. I love the “Earth-around-the-moon,” “moon-around-the-Earth,” “sun-around-the-Earth” analogy. <\/p>\n

What if a consensus, what if a vast majority of scientists actually believed that the sun orbited the Earth? According to this guy, that would make it true. If enough people believed it, if a consensus could be produced, then it would make it true. “Scientific law is actually an observation that is so often consistent that it can be assumed it will happen again. “Even this isn\u2019t entirely true. Newton\u2019s Law in physics do not strictly apply in the subatomic world; i.e., quantum physics. Keep up the good work, though, Rush. Dittos on the show, but be aware you have limitations, albeit few.” (laughing) Never fails. Never fails. Every time I bring up science, I can find series of e-mails. <\/p>\n

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RUSH: And we have more e-mail to share with you here on Open Line Friday: “For crying out loud, Rush, you really have to work hard at not understanding this? While it\u2019s true that a consensus is not required for something to be true, it does not follow that a consensus is forbidden in science. What if a majority of scientists agree on something that, by a strange coincidence, is also true? What then? You seem to be saying that such a situation is impossible, which is ridiculous.” Paul from Oak Harbor, Washington. What is it, folks…? I\u2019m going to be very blunt here. Some of you need to slow down. You\u2019re not as smart as you think. You just need to listen to something. When I say that if something is said to be true because of consensus, it can\u2019t be science. Science is not up to a vote. <\/p>\n

I don\u2019t care if 9 out of 10 scientists agree on something that is true. The fact that they agree is not what makes it true! Scientists agreeing on something cannot make something true that is false. Science is independent of opinion. Science is what it is. True scientific discovery, inconvertible fact — however you want to define science — is immune to whatever human beings think it is or think of it. All I\u2019m saying is that if we\u2019re going to have a culture that believes that there is manmade global warming because there is a consensus of scientists who say so, then we\u2019re on shaky ground, because a consensus of human beings cannot make something scientifically true. Now, a consensus of scientists can happen to agree on something that is true, but their agreement does not make it true. <\/p>\n

The global warming crowd is trying to say that manmade global warming is true because of consensus of human beings (disguised as scientists) say it\u2019s happening! What I\u2019m telling you is those people have no more right to proclaim something to be scientifically true simply because they agree with each other or are scientists. Something is true in science or not independent of what anybody thinks about it. I don\u2019t know what\u2019s so hard to understand about this. There\u2019s nothing “democratic” about science. A majority in anything has zilch to do with it. The sun… Let me put it this way: The Earth does not revolve around the sun because of the consensus of people says so. <\/p>\n

The Earth revolves around the sun because the Earth revolves around the sun! We have been fortunate enough to learn enough to understand that it\u2019s true, but it isn\u2019t true because a bunch of people think it. Same thing with global warming. Manmade global warming is not true simply because a consensus of human beings says it\u2019s true, but we\u2019re told to accept — as science — manmade global warming because Al Gore believes it and a consensus of scientists who are being paid for it! Bunch of people say that “I\u2019m in it for the money,” who literally sell their reputations, who sell their opinions. Politicians, too, will sell their votes for money. I don\u2019t do that. But don\u2019t try to be too smart by half here. It\u2019s not complicated.<\/p>\n

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RUSH: Jean in Bardstown, Kentucky. Great to have you on the EIB Network and Open Line Friday. Hi. <\/p>\n

CALLER: It\u2019s a great honor, Rush, but, Rush: When you\u2019re using the arguments about consensus, scientific consensus and trying to convince people, Galileo Galilei is a perfect example. The church and church scientists of his day refuted him and they chastised him and put him under house arrest and they were going to execute him as a heretic until the Age of Enlightenment when everybody started to realize that Galileo Galilei was correct. He would have been put to death if everybody listened to the consensus. The consensus was wrong, but Galileo was correct. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Sooooo you\u2019re saying I should be put to death? <\/p>\n

CALLER: No! No, no, no. I\u2019m saying that consensus is not a truth, and Galileo Galilei was the perfect example, because he was correct, consensus was wrong, and they wanted to execute him. <\/p>\n

RUSH: I appreciate that. Look, I\u2019m continuing to get e-mails from now people identifying themselves as physicists and other scientists saying, “You don\u2019t know what you\u2019re talking about on this consensus business! Rush, it\u2019s embarrassing to hear you.”<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: They\u2019re saying, “You\u2019re so right but you don\u2019t know what you\u2019re talking about on this consensus business.” “Science is all about,” this one guy just wrote, “when you don\u2019t know anything — you are learning, you\u2019re in discovery — and when a majority of scientists agree that\u2019s the focal point that\u2019s what you work on, there is consensus in science.” What is so hard to understand about what I said? <\/p>\n

CALLER: I don\u2019t know. <\/p>\n

RUSH: The “consensus” doesn\u2019t make it true is my only point! <\/p>\n

CALLER: And the consensus at that time said… They stifled him and said they were going to put him under house arrest he can\u2019t publish anything, he can\u2019t talk about his theory; and then the braver scientists behind him started to come out and the chump changedhis mind. But that man could have been executed and the consensus would have won and they would have been wrong. <\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s exactly right. I don\u2019t know what\u2019s so hard to understand about this. <\/p>\n

CALLER: It\u2019s amazing. Just amazing. And it\u2019s very disheartening, I\u2019ll tell you. It\u2019s very disheartening.<\/p>\n

RUSH: It\u2019s disheartening because it\u2019s not that tough. This is not that hard to understand. <\/p>\n

CALLER: It\u2019s not. I\u2019m a scientist and I understand it. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, these people disagree. They\u2019re taking this personally. <\/p>\n

CALLER: Right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You ought to read the e-mails out there that I\u2019m getting, Jean. They\u2019re taking this stuff personally. <\/p>\n

CALLER: I know. It\u2019s crazy. <\/p>\n

RUSH: It really is. <\/p>\n

CALLER: We\u2019re living under very tough times. I\u2019m 74 years old. I hope it gets better before I kick this life goodbye. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Oh, it will. It will get better in a couple of years. <\/p>\n

CALLER: (chuckles) I hope so. <\/p>\n

RUSH: You don\u2019t sound like a native of Kentucky. <\/p>\n

CALLER: No, I\u2019m a transplant New Yorker. I\u2019ve been here two years, now. I came down to be with family and it\u2019s quite an adjustment from New York to Kentucky. (chuckles)<\/p>\n

RUSH: How long have you been there? <\/p>\n

CALLER: Two and a half years. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Two. <\/p>\n

CALLER: Two years, excuse me. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Two and a half years. <\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah. <\/p>\n

RUSH: It\u2019s great to hear from you. I appreciate the support. I was just kidding with you about whether or not I should be put to death. <\/p>\n

CALLER: No, no, no! The consensus was wrong, and they were getting ready to put him to death. <\/p>\n

RUSH: I know.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: And there are countless examples within the scientific realm of this —<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yup.<\/p>\n

RUSH: — throughout human history of the belief that existed that turned out to be totally untrue and the applecarts that were upset with this when it happened. Anyway, Jean, thanks much.<\/p>\n

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<\/a>RUSH: It\u2019s about time, here. Dr. Roy Spencer<\/a>, our official climatologist, has finally weighed in. He was, I guess, consensus building with his family and didn\u2019t have time to reply until now. Dr. Spencer has sent in seven guidelines for me to share with you in the way he handles the issue of global warming and “consensus,” whether or not it is manmade.<\/p>\n

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RUSH: We have a scientist on the phone from Seaford, Delaware. This is Jack. Great to have you on Open Line Friday. Hi. <\/p>\n

CALLER: Thank you, Rush. It\u2019s great to be able to talk to you. <\/p>\n

RUSH: I appreciate that. <\/p>\n

CALLER: My subject is the so-called consensus on global warming. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Right. <\/p>\n

CALLER: And I am really qualified to talk about this. I studied weather in the Air Force. I studied weather in college. I really studied weather as a combat pilot in special operations in Korea where I had to land in North Korea repeatedly, so the weather was very important to me — and when I started hearing about this global warming, as a scientist, one thing we are — we are curious — and so I dug into it. And let me tell you, I\u2019ve got two documents in my hands.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a minute. First thing, weather and climate, do you mean them interchangeably? <\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, “weather” is short term. That\u2019s like tactical —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah.<\/p>\n

CALLER: — and climatology is long term. That\u2019s strategic. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay. <\/p>\n

CALLER: So what the weather is short term and where it\u2019s going is what you better know about it. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay. <\/p>\n

CALLER: And when I returned from Korea, I went to work. I was assigned to Headquarters, 1st Weather Group, for the Strategic Air Command and our job was to monitor and predict the weather during the Cold War over Russia. So I\u2019m a recipient of a National Service Medal for my work in climatology. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Wow, that\u2019s impressive!<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, you know, they give you medals instead of money when you\u2019re in the Air Force. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I don\u2019t have any medals except for the ones I\u2019ve given myself. <\/p>\n

CALLER: Okay. (chuckles) But anyway, the one document I\u2019ve got which is a press release from February \u201909 by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, and he says: “We have just four months to secure the future of our planet.” <\/p>\n

RUSH: I remember that. What a crock. <\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah, and he claims to have an international panel of 113 climate scientists who concluded that human activities are heating the planet.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I checked on some of the names and followed up and only like 27 of them have ever studied weather out of 113. In my other hand, I\u2019ve got a petition signed by 31,000 scientists. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Get this. I mention seven points that my own climatologist sent me.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Uh-huh?<\/p>\n

RUSH: He said he answers people with seven different points. The seventh point is that there has been virtually no research into the role of natural cycles in recent warming. Almost every century in the last 2,000 years has had substantial warming or cooling naturally. That\u2019s never been studied. They don\u2019t want to know the answer to what\u2019s happening naturally because of it. <\/p>\n

CALLER: It has been studied because I\u2019ve studied it, okay? (chuckles) Let me tell you about this petition. It\u2019s signed by 31,478 American scientists, including 9,000 Ph.D.s, which says that global warming is a crock — and I\u2019m one of them. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, God bless you, sir. That sounds like a consensus to me. <\/p>\n

CALLER: That\u2019s a real consensus. Are you familiar with the hockey stick curve? <\/p>\n

RUSH: Yes, and that\u2019s what\u2019s been totally debunked as a hoax!<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yup. The UN even pulled it out of their data because they were so embarrassed by it. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Exactly. That\u2019s what happened. That was one of the results of the e-mail dump from Hadley, the Climate Centre at the University of East Anglia. Well! I\u2019m glad you got through there, Jack. I appreciate it.<\/p>\n

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