{"id":19153,"date":"2011-06-08T01:01:01","date_gmt":"2011-07-20T00:18:19","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-07-20T00:18:19","modified_gmt":"2011-07-20T00:18:19","slug":"the_rick_santorum_interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2011\/06\/08\/the_rick_santorum_interview\/","title":{"rendered":"The Rick Santorum Interview"},"content":{"rendered":"
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RUSH: We\u2019d like to welcome to the program Rick Santorum, who is one of the Republicans seeking the presidential nomination of the Republican Party. Senator… How do you prefer to be referred to these days? You were last a Senator. How are you anyway?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Well, Rush, thank you so much for having me on, and Rick works just fine. That\u2019s what… I was just in a diner in Nashua, and young lady asked me the same question. I said, “Rick works well,” and so we\u2019re not in office anymore. I\u2019m just out there trying to — as a private citizen trying to — make a difference in our country.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I was gonna ask you: Why now? Why? It\u2019s a crowded Republican field. There are a lot of candidates. You know, Republican Party is at war with itself in addition to being at war with Democrats and Obama. What is it about now that made you decide to toss your hat into all this?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Well, I said this yesterday. The reason I went to Somerset County — actually two days ago — to announce was that\u2019s where my grandfather came to this country. He left fascist Italy, Mussolini\u2019s Italy in 1927 because he didn\u2019t want his family growing up with the government telling them what to think and how to do things. He had a good job, he lived in a beautiful little town in northern Italy on a lake. He left his eight brothers and sisters and came to this country and worked in the coal mines and ended up \u2019til he was 72 years old, and he used to tell me when I was a kid that the most important thing was freedom. I just believe with what we\u2019ve seen in this administration over the past two years that we are at risk of losing our Founders\u2019 freedom. <\/p>\n

We\u2019re at risk of losing what this country has fought for for 200 years, and I believe the linchpin in losing that is Obamacare. You know, Rush, that Lady Thatcher said after she left office and reflected on her career, that she was never able to accomplish in England what Ronald Reagan did in America, and she said that she blamed the British national health care system. What I said yesterday, or two days ago, was that once the government has an ID line to you, and they can withhold nutrition and withhold care, they can get anything out of America. They can grow bigger and bigger and more powerful. I just feel like we have to stop Obamacare, and I think we need a candidate who can be crystal clear on that and has a strong record on not just health care but on limited government and I believe that I can bring that to the table and someone who\u2019s been a very strong, consistent conservative over the years.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, you\u2019ve been doing some radio hosting. <\/p>\n

SANTORUM: I have!<\/p>\n

RUSH: You have. You have guest hosted for Bill Bennett on his show. So since you\u2019ve done that you ought to be doing just about anything now, including be president. What did that teach you? I mean, you\u2019d never done it before as a host. Did that have any factor here in you wanting to get back into your political career?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Well, it was actually a really great way to stay, you know, in tune with what people are thinking, and it was very, very clear to me — and I\u2019m I listener to talk radio. I\u2019ve been listening to you for 20 years, and, you know, really believe in the dialogue and interaction that goes into trying to understand where America is and I think talk radio is a great place for that and I certainly heard from listeners and in travel can you understand because after I started to do talk radio I started to do a lot more traveling because I was really concerned about Obama and Obamacare, and cap and trade and card check and all those things that were floating back at those times. I don\u2019t claim to be a Tea Party person because obviously I\u2019ve been involved in politics for quite some time, but for really for the same reasons the Tea Party people decided to come out of the woodwork. I really decided to come out of my wood works and get back involved in this because I have seven children, Rush, and I think my duty to them is the same duty that my grandfather was to me which is creating — to make sure that we pass on — a country that\u2019s free and I really do believe that\u2019s at risk in America. I think this election is the most important one since the election of 1860.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Why?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Freedom. I really can\u2019t stress enough how I believe that Obama\u2019s view of America… I always use this quote that said in response to the Ryan budget. He was talking about Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and he said that, you know, America\u2019s a better country because of these programs then he went on and said, “I\u2019ll go one step further: America would not be a great country without those programs.” That man does not understand what makes America great. What makes America great was a government that was founded to be limited to doing one thing. I really believe the whole purpose of America, the aspirational value — why everybody who wants to come to this country wants to come here — was because we respected the dignity of every living person. Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. It is to protect life and liberty. That is what America is all about. It\u2019s not to take care of people, but it\u2019s a belief that free people — if given the opportunity to provide for themselves — collectively we can build a much greater society. We can build a society that\u2019s a good and decent society, if government just stays out of the way and creates an atmosphere for opportunity, protects us from outside fources and creates a level playing field for all of us to be able to achieve in our lives.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now, Rick, in that answer — which I liked — I heard a lot of references to what some would call the “social issues.” I remember you\u2019ve said when you announced your candidacy — and you\u2019ve gotten close to it here, too — you said you wanted to make sure that there is a conservative in the race who has a track record of leading on moral, cultural issues. Now, you know as well as I do that within the what I call the inside the Beltway elitist or ruling part of the Republican Party, they don\u2019t want any part of the “social issues,” Rick. They don\u2019t want to go there. They don\u2019t want candidates who are gonna make a big deal out of the social issues \u2019cause they\u2019re afraid of abortion rearing its head and becoming an issue. Does that present you a problem? ‘Cause this is one of the areas where the Republican Party is in a war with itself. You know, what I call the — for lack of a better term — intelligentsia of our party just don\u2019t want to go there. They want to keep it supposedly strictly on the fiscal side, but you\u2019re fearless going after the moral and social issues as you\u2019ve just done here.<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Yeah. Look, I believe as you heard, “We\u2019re endowed by our Creator with certain rights: Life, liberty…” I mean, America is a moral enterprise, Rush. The idea that Republicans can win elections if he go up there and just say, “All we care about is money…” People don\u2019t care… Of course we care about our jobs, we care about money, but we care about our families. We care about our communities. We care about, you know, the dignity of life; we care about living good lives that add to the greatness of this country, and the idea that we can have limited government, Rush, without strong families? <\/p>\n

The family is the first economy. If the family breaks down, well, government gets bigger because of the consequences of family breakdown. We see in the neighborhoods where there are no marriages and there are no two-parent families. You can\u2019t ignore the reality that faith and family. Those two things are integral parts of having limited government, lower taxes, and free societies. We are either gonna be constrained by internal controls, internal restraint on our behavior or we\u2019re gonna be restrained by external restraints — and when people say, “We can live free and people can do whatever they want to do,” show me an example of that in human history. It doesn\u2019t work. <\/p>\n

So I am gonna talk about it. Look, I understand, you heard me say, Rush: The most important issue is obviously freedom and repealing Obamacare and getting government out of people\u2019s lives, lowering taxes and creating growth — and you know that I was a leader on welfare reform. I was the guy that led the charge in the US Senate and actually wrote the bill when I was in the House. I was the guy that actually helped end the federal entitlement. I embraced the Ryan plan and said it\u2019s a good first step and frankly I would go even farther than that, and I\u2019m out talking about all the important issues of the day, but you can\u2019t ignore the entire picture, and I don\u2019t think Americans want us toignore the entire picture either.<\/p>\n

RUSH: We\u2019re talking with former Senator from Pennsylvania Rick Santorum who is seeking the Republican presidential nomination. Now, you are obviously — in addition to being self-described people just heard it — a social, fiscal conservative. You first won a House seat — you\u2019re from western Pennsylvania — in a heavily Democrat district.<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Thank your old radio station KQV where you were a disc jockey.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) Yeah, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: As you know, they turned into a news format. They were the only station in the area that actually covered me, but I beat a 14-year incumbent after I was not given any chance. Six months before the election, I had 6% name recognition. So we go about it the old-fashioned way. This is my 18th visit to New Hampshire. We\u2019re working hard.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s what I was gonna ask you.<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Yeah?<\/p>\n

RUSH: You won your House seat in that district, you then went to win the Senate twice in a state that most people would not consider to be majority in support of you. <\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: So you can tell us how a social conservative can win in a blue state like Pennsylvania or in several blue states. How would you do it today versus what you did then — and why do you think you lost the last time you sought the Senate?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Sure. Well, I think you\u2019re right. I won my first four races. I\u2019m four out of five — not bad — and three of the first four races I ran twice for the House, once against this incumbent Democrat. The second time I got redistricted into a 71% Democratic district against another incumbent Democrat. I won that seat. The third time I ran for the Senate in Pennsylvania with 600,000 more registered Democrats Republicans, against another Democratic incumbents, I won that — and then in 2000 when George Bush lost the state by four points I won it by five. In 2006 it was a horrible election year, and, you know, I lost. But I lost because I continued to be a constant conservative and the last six years I was someone who was a national figure in the sense that I was the third ranking Republican in leadership and I had just run President Bush\u2019s campaign in Pennsylvania. <\/p>\n

The reason I was able to win before is because people, while they didn\u2019t always agree with me, they knew where I stood and they knew that I did what I believed was right and that I stood for what I believe in, and they could trust me even though they didn\u2019t necessarily agree. I think for a president, there are very few people who believe or vote for somebody because they agree with them on everything. Most people don\u2019t agree with everybody on everything, but they want to believe that that person is trustworthy. They want to believe that they\u2019re authentic. They want to believe that they\u2019re gonna actually do what they say they\u2019re gonna do and can be trusted and for a long time in Pennsylvania that was enough for me to get a lot of moderate and conservative Democrats to join Republicans and win. In 2006 it was just a meltdown year. I still led the ticket in Pennsylvania, but our gubernatorial candidate lost by 22 points, and it was just a bad year.<\/p>\n

RUSH: We are talking to Rick Santorum.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: And we\u2019re back, Rush Limbaugh here with Rick Santorum, Republican seeking the presidential nomination. Mitt Romney in his announcement earlier this week in New Hampshire said, yes, he believes there is global warming, and, yes, he thinks human beings are contributing to it. Do you?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: I believe the earth gets warmer, and I also believe the earth gets cooler, and I think history points out that it does that and that the idea that man through the production of CO2 which is a trace gas in the atmosphere and the manmade part of that trace gas is itself a trace gas is somehow responsible for climate change is, I think, just patently absurd when you consider all of the other factors, El Nino, La Nina, sunspots, you know, moisture in the air. There\u2019s a variety of factors that contribute to the earth warming and cooling, and to me this is an opportunity for the left to create — it\u2019s a beautifully concocted scheme because they know that the earth is gonna cool and warm. It\u2019s been on a warming trend so they said, “Oh, let\u2019s take advantage of that and say that we need the government to come in and regulate your life some more because it\u2019s getting warmer,” just like they did in the seventies when it was getting cool, they needed the government to come in and regulate your life because it\u2019s getting cooler. It\u2019s just an excuse for more government control of your life, and I\u2019ve never been for any scheme or even accepted the junk science behind the whole narrative.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I see that you\u2019ve signed the anti-tax pledge in New Hampshire. What are the specifics?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: I\u2019m signing that today. That\u2019s right. It basically says that I believe in pro-growth policies, and the time I was in the United States Senate and the Congress I never voted for a tax increase, believed and voted for every tax cut that was made available to do, \u2019cause I believe that we need to have a situation our country where government is an incentivizer for business where by creating low rates and reforming our regulatory structure to make it more friendly to business and opportunity oriented, as well as I was a very strong supporter of litigation reform to get litigation costs down in our business. We can compete with anybody in the world if we\u2019re provided a playing field that isn\u2019t tilted against us, and that\u2019s what I think Obama and the Democrats and the left have been doing for a long time in America.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Let\u2019s talk about Obama. I\u2019ve talked to a couple, not a whole lot, but a couple of potential, some have announced, some haven\u2019t, Republican presidential nominees, and almost all of them, Rick, said to me, “Rush, we can\u2019t attack Obama. We can attack his policies, and we should, and we\u2019ve gotta go after his policies, but we cannot be critical of Obama.” What is your reaction to that thinking?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Well, I don\u2019t know. I mean I\u2019m going to attack the president when he\u2019s wrong and when he does things that I think are against the interests of our country. My feeling is we haven\u2019t talked about the national security. When the president of the United States goes out and apologizes for America, when he goes out and seems to embrace or even bow to foreign leaders, when he does things that I think make us weaker in the eyes of our enemies and make us unreliable in the eyes of our friends, I\u2019m gonna attack him and I\u2019m gonna attack what he does. Look, I didn\u2019t defeat and knock out three Democratic incumbents by not going after my opponent and making sure that they knew that they were gonna be held accountable for everything they did and said.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, what they mean is, he\u2019s the first black president, and they don\u2019t want to be called racist, and so they can\u2019t be seen as attacking Obama personally. Of course, I — I\u2019m going to inject myself in this, imagine that — I don\u2019t know how you separate somebody from their policies.<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Yeah.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Obama is his policies. You are your policies. Mitch Daniels said that he would be reluctant to debate Obama. After we got Bin Laden, he said, “I don\u2019t know that I\u2019m ready to debate Obama on foreign policy.” You just said you\u2019re clearly willing to.<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Absolutely. Obama getting Osama Bin Laden was simply a tactical decision, that presidents, by the way, usually don\u2019t make. The only reason he had to make this tactical decision was because we\u2019re going into a foreign country to extract him and kill him, but other than that, you know, because he\u2019s such a high value target, yeah, he had to make a tactical decision to get Bin Laden. But what presidents are responsible for are not tactical decisions but higher level strategic decisions. In every contingency that\u2019s come up during the Obama administration President Obama has gotten it wrong and gotten it wrong badly, whether it is throwing Mubarak under the bus, whether it was not going after and supporting the green revolution in Iran, whether it\u2019s being on the wrong side of Hondurans who were trying to get rid of a Hugo Chavez puppet in their country and we\u2019re still on the wrong side of that whether we stiff-armed Colombia in their attempt to get closer to us to try to rebuff Chavez and the socialists in South America, whether it\u2019s the Poles and the Czechs that we abandoned to the Russians in pursuit of this utopian ridiculouslessness of a nuclear free world that the president is advocating, he has been on the wrong side of every national security issue since he\u2019s been president, and it\u2019s made us weaker abroad and it\u2019s made us less secure here home.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I have a minute and a half. You ever ask yourself where the American people are politically? Do you ever fear the American people just maybe want a European socialist country, that they\u2019d rather be dependent on government? Does that worry you?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Does it worry me? Well, you know, Rush, \u2019cause you combat it every day with the popular culture and the media and academic institutions, that gets pounded away every day into the minds of our young people, and I don\u2019t know how many times I\u2019ve listened on your show where people said, “You know, you opened, the scales fell from my eyes. It\u2019s finally making sense to me. I understand all of these lies I\u2019ve been told.” You tell people lies enough and you indoctrinate them enough, of course I\u2019ve got grave concerns and that\u2019s one of the reasons I\u2019m doing this is because I think we need — look, the person who\u2019s been able to win the presidency since the age of television has had one thing in common. They\u2019ve been the best communicator in the race. We need someone like a Rush Limbaugh who can communicate and can touch the soul of Americans and can reach out across the radio and television and paint a vision that helps drop those scales, that can remind people what a great country we are and that it\u2019s a great country because we believe in free people and the ability of free people to provide for themselves, their family, their community, and the God they love. That\u2019s what America is about, and we can with get back to that. We need to begin to believe in ourselves instead of the having someone tell us that they need to believe in him, the anointed one to provide for them.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Rick, thanks for your time. Your passion is infectious. It really is. <\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Thank you. My wife will kill me if I don\u2019t get my website in, RickSantorum.com<\/a>, if you can please go to that website and send even a small contribution to encourage us and help us along the way.<\/p>\n

RUSH: All right, RickSantorum.com<\/a>, right?<\/p>\n

SANTORUM: Yes, that\u2019s it, Rush, thank you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You bet. Thank you very much. Rick Santorum, former Senator from Pennsylvania, now seeking the Republican presidential nomination. <\/p>\n

We\u2019ve gotta brief time-out. We\u2019ve still got people on hold we\u2019ll get to your phone calls and a couple choice sound bites, Trump<\/a> saying I\u2019m right, which I mean that\u2019s not unique, everybody does, but it\u2019s nice to hear.<\/p>\n

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