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RUSH: We welcome for the first time to the EIB Network Republican presidential candidate former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, who announced just today that you\u2019re in, you\u2019re going for it. Welcome to the program, Governor.<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Great to be with you, Rush. Yeah, we\u2019re in Des Moines and we made that announcement just about an hour on and so we\u2019re locked and loaded and heading forward.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Let me ask you as just a general set-the-table question. You obviously want to be president because there are things you want to accomplish, and you want to see the country accomplish. You gaze out across the country, what do you see? What\u2019s the American situation today? What about it needs to be improved or changed?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Well, a few things, Rush. You know, as I travel the country there\u2019s a sense amongst people that the America that we knew and love is perhaps slipping away and that the future may not be as bright; and so people describe that in different ways, but it comes back to one thing: The government is getting so heavy, so expensive, so discouraging, so slow that it\u2019s suffocating the American spirit — and if you believe this country isn\u2019t about government but it\u2019s about people and individual responsibility and industriousness and hard work and faith and family and the like, government\u2019s crowding that out, and people are discouraged. And so we\u2019ve gotta get the government under control, back into its limited original role and get the deficit and the debt fixed and get this economy growing. Those are the big issues facing the country — and, of course, we gotta be secure and focus on national defense and security as well.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, now, I\u2019m not trying to stir anything up here — seriously — but I do have a 2006 quote of yours and I want to run by you and in advance to preface the quote. Within the Republican Party and the conservative wing of the Republican Party, there are many disagreements about how the Democrats should be fought and how they should be opposed, and one of the prevailing points of view in inside-the-Beltway conservatism is that big government is not all that bad with the right president. There are people that believe in an active, powerful executive — an engaging government that\u2019s big enough to handle the requests and demands of the people. These conservatives are saying, “The American people have spoken. They do want government benefits. They do want this.” In 2006, if I have it right, you said, ‘The era of small government\u2019s over,” that the government has to be “more proactive, more aggressive,” which is somewhat similar to what I\u2019ve been hearing not recently, within the past year from the inside-the-Beltway Republicans. What you just said seems to be in conflict with that, though.<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Well, actually I\u2019m glad you brought that up, Rush, because it gives me a chance to clarify. The other side has pushed that falsely for a number of years. What happened is in the Minnesota Star Tribune — not exactly a conservative publication — I made reference to an article that David Brooks wrote which was entitled, “The Eera of Small Government is Over.” I didn\u2019t say those words myself; I was referencing his article. <\/p>\n

RUSH: He is one of the guys I was talking about. You\u2019re right.<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Yeah, and so the next day — the very next day — the Star Tribune, after a big battle, printed a clarification or a correction in their correction page. Of course, the main article was on page one and the correction was buried in some footnote in page three, but that incorrect quote has haunted me — and I\u2019m glad I had a chance in this big national forum on your great show to clarify, because if you go to the next day\u2019s newspaper you\u2019ll see the clarification in the Star Tribune. But beyond that, look, I governed for eight years and people don\u2019t care about words or failed amendments in Congress; they care about what you got done. There\u2019s only four governors in the country that got an A grade from the tough-grading libertarian Cato Institute. I\u2019m one of them and the other three aren\u2019t for running for president. They\u2019re from Louisiana, South Carolina, and West Virginia. So I\u2019ll put my record up against anybody. It\u2019s not perfect. Like everybody, I got a few things I did I wish I didn\u2019t; but the fact is, I\u2019m a conservative in a blue state and I got the record to back it up.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s your proudest achievement as governor? I mean, you ran a liberal state; you\u2019re a Republican. You had to do certain things to get elected there. What are you most proud of?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Well, I\u2019m proud of the fact that I brought Minnesota spending down from over 40 year, two-year average to 21%, down to barely zero — and then, for the first time in the state\u2019s history, actually cut state spending in real terms. So if I had to pick one thing: It was getting Minnesota, a very liberal place, to come to terms with its excesses. It wasn\u2019t easy, Rush. I had a government shutdown, first in 150 years. I set a record for vetoes in my state. I used executive power to un-allot more money out of my budget in my eight years of the state\u2019s budget than 142 years of governors preceding me. So I drew lines in the sand, I had big battles, and I won most of them, and we put Minnesota on a more conservative path.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What kind of relationship did you have with public employees, the unions? <\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Well, I took \u2019em on before it was popular. You know, we shut down the whole transit system, for example, for 44 days. I think it was the third or fourth … longest transit strike in the history of the country because the bus drivers, the government bus drivers wanted to work 15 years, and then have the government pay for their health insurance for the rest of their life. Of course it was financially out of control and I said. “We\u2019re not doing that anymore.” So I had all the protests, the signs out my window. I had one person holding a sign that said, “Pawlenty is a weapon of mass transit destruction,” but we won. They came back on Day 45; we got that benefit shut off. I also reformed public employee pensions in my state and salaries before it was popular and cool to do it. I did it five years ago.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I know you\u2019re not in the statehouse any longer, but there\u2019s an issue roiling the state right now and that\u2019s the Vikings and their new stadium and how much of it should be publicly financed. The usual threats are being made: If the public doesn\u2019t chip in and build a new stadium the Vikings are gone. They\u2019ll move to LA or someplace.<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: The rumor is you\u2019re gonna buy \u2019em and move \u2019em. Is that true?<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) Well, uh, this interview is about you. (laughing) <\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: (laughing)<\/p>\n

RUSH: I\u2019ll keep it focused on you.<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: (laughing) All right.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What\u2019s the…? Are you apprised? What\u2019s the status of that in Minnesota?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Well, the legislature ends today and they didn\u2019t pass that bill. There\u2019s probably gonna be a special session, so it will probably come back up. But the public doesn\u2019t support it. Of course people appreciate the Vikings as an asset in Minnesota, but when I was governor, we didn\u2019t get that done for a reason because they wanted a bunch of money from the state. We did build a baseball stadium in Minnesota for the Twins, but there was no state money involved in that. The Twins and a local county paid for that. We didn\u2019t put any state dollars into that.<\/p>\n<\/p>\nRUSH: You know, the people… I asked you earlier what the situation in America is, and many people in this audience — and I think it\u2019s a great cross-section of the country — really do feel… In fact, let me tell you a story. I went to a wedding in Ft. Lauderdale over the weekend and I had a guy come up to me — actually three or four, but this one particular guy was the most strident. He came up to me. He\u2019s 63 years old, and he says he\u2019s quitting. He\u2019s a very successful entrepreneur and he\u2019s quitting. He\u2019s tired of the regulations, he\u2019s tired of the oversight, he\u2019s tired of the obstacles, he\u2019s tired of the taxes. He\u2019s simply tired of all he has to go through to remain successful, and he said something to me. He said, “You have to keep fighting,” and this embarrasses me, by the way, but I want to tell you what he said. <\/p>\n

“You\u2019ve got to keep telling the truth. The American people are fed up. They are not going to put up with it. Too many people are going to tune out. The situation in this country is so dire, the current administration is simply destroying — whether by accident or by design, they are destroying — the engine of job creation,” and my point is I run into this a lot. People genuinely, Governor, believe that. It\u2019s not just opposition rhetoric to a sitting president. There are people who are genuinely afraid of what the future holds for their kids and grandkids in terms of something that used to be traditionally American — and that was an opportunity for prosperity. People think it\u2019s being whittled away, and by the time their kids and grandkids reach the age they might have a chance at it, the chances are gonna be slimmer and slimmer — and they\u2019re scared. They\u2019re not just opposed to the Democrats and Obama; they\u2019re really scared. Do you get that when you talk to people?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Absolutely — and, you know, that\u2019s why I started that at the top of this interview. The American spirit is being crushed and discouraged by this president and the direction he\u2019s taking this country — and when the government pushes things into things that used to be the province of families or faith — or places of worship more broadly — or community or neighborhood or charity or private markets or entrepreneurial activity, and they shove us aside, or worse yet, say, “We\u2019ll take it over,” or they make it more expensive or they slow it down or they make it more difficult, they not only grow their budget — theynot only grow their footprint — but they do something else. They say to that American spirit, basically, “No, thank you,” and people are worried because the country is slipping away in that regard, and I think this is the last best chance we\u2019re gonna have. Now, you said something else called “telling the truth.” I just gave a speech an hour ago here in Des Moines, Iowa, that was entitled, “Time for the Truth,” and we took on directly, Rush, what it\u2019s gonna really take to solve the debt and the deficit; and we called out for the phasing out of ethanol subsidies. I\u2019m coming down to Florida tonight to give a speech tomorrow about really reforming Social Security and —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wait a minute! Wait a minute. You, in Iowa, called for the end to ethanol subsidies?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Yes, I did.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What was the reaction you got to that?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Nobody applauded at this particular moment in the speech, but I gotta tell you: It has to be done, and if we\u2019re not willing to tell the truth and we\u2019re not willing to actually do it, then we\u2019re all wasting our time and I\u2019m gonna go down there and play golf with you because we\u2019re just a debating society and wasting our time. Because this is it. It\u2019s gonna be mathematically irretrievable to get this thing back after this next election. So I\u2019m swinging for the fences, not because I wanted to get elected but because we\u2019re gonna save this country and we\u2019re gonna do it bit telling the truth, and the American people —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Now —<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Go ahead.<\/p>\n

RUSH: That\u2019s politically gutsy because the theory is in a campaign for the nomination, you gotta get the base. I mean, you\u2019ve gotta say what it takes to get elected, and certainly questioning ethanol subsidies in Iowa is not the way to do that. The theory is, “Say what they want to hear in Iowa, say what they want to hear in New Hampshire, get the nomination, and then go for that.” What\u2019s your…? <\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Well, I — I —<\/p>\n

RUSH: This is your truth agenda, I guess?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Yeah, and I also, Rush, when I was in Minnesota at governor, also a bigrenewable fuels state, I cut ethanol subsidies there when we had financial difficulties. So this isn\u2019t something new for me, but in my heart and in my gut this is the deal: We have to tell the truth and campaign like we\u2019re gonna govern, and govern like we campaign, and there is no way we can dupe the American people with all this lofty rhetoric and fluffy speeches and think that\u2019s gonna get the trick done. We need leadership. I\u2019m coming down ot —<\/p>\n

RUSH: We are —<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: — Florida tomorrow to talk to seniors about Social Security. I\u2019m going to New York to tell them the bailouts and the special deals are over and we\u2019re gonna —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Wow.<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: — continue down that road.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Where are you gonna be in Florida?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: We\u2019re gonna be in Miami, I think, for a town hall meeting — a Facebook town hall meeting — and the topic\u2019s gonna be Social Security reform.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, if you get up here by 3:30 we can probably 12 holes in. (laughing) <\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: I said if I can\u2019t get this done then I\u2019m gonna waste my time and go play golf.<\/p>\n

RUSH: We\u2019ll take a break. We\u2019re talking to presidential candidate, Republican candidate Tim Pawlenty, the former governor of Minnesota. We\u2019ll be back right after this.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, we\u2019re back with former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, who is in Des Moines today, one hour ago announced his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination. I don\u2019t know if you know this today since you\u2019re out of town, your hometown paper, the St. Paul Pioneer Press has the story of your announcement on the obituary page, which leads me to a question I have for you. The headline is: “Pawlenty Offers ‘Tell the Truth\u2019 Theme for Race,” and right next to it is today\u2019s obituaries. <\/p>\n<\/p>\nPAWLENTY: (laughing)<\/p>\n

RUSH: It is funny, but I gotta tell you something. Mitch Daniels, he pulled out, and we all know why. His wife doesn\u2019t want what Sarah Palin got. She doesn\u2019t want any part of it. You and I both know that whatever Democrat seeks to run, the media is not gonna question their authenticity or their legitimacy, but you will be. You\u2019re gonna be called every cliched conservative name in the book: racist, sexist, bigot homophobe, all of these things. How are you going to deal with that?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Well, the same way I dealt with it in Minnesota, Rush. That\u2019s the land of McCarthy, Mondale, Humphrey, Wellstone, Ventura and now US Senator Al Franken, and I got pummeled. It\u2019s a deeply blue and probably the most liberal state in the country, and that\u2019s why you gotta have the fortitude for this job. I\u2019m not Pollyannish about what\u2019s coming and all the hits we\u2019re gonna have to take, but Mary and I, my wife Mary, you know, we\u2019re very wide-eyed about this but we believe in this cause, and I think we\u2019re steeled and prepared for what\u2019s coming, and I got a lot of good practice getting the you-know-what beat out of me in Minnesota. if we can do this there, we can do it anywhere.<\/p>\n

RUSH: What about money? Mitt says he\u2019s gonna be able to put his hands on a billion dollars. Obama\u2019s throwing that figure around. Do you believe that\u2019s what it\u2019s gonna cost to win the presidency this year?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Well, the president\u2019s backed off that number somewhat, but on the Republican side in the early days, you know, Mitt will be, my friend Mitt will be the unquestioned money champion. I mean he\u2019s just got the national network and all of that —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Is Mitt really your friend or do you guys just say that stuff?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: No, he\u2019s my friend. I know him, we served together and, you know, we don\u2019t agree on everything, but he\u2019s a good guy. He is my friend. I try to take Reagan\u2019s Eleventh Commandment seriously. But, look, we\u2019re not gonna be the Mercedes campaign or the BMW campaign when it comes to fundraising but we\u2019re gonna have a good steady Buick and we\u2019re gonna have enough to be competitive and win in these early states and whoever the Republican candidate eventually is it\u2019s gonna be me, I think is gonna be able to match Obama, but early on, Mitt will be the unquestioned money champion, there\u2019s no question about that.<\/p>\n

RUSH: You feel qualified to debate Obama on foreign policy?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Yeah, I think I\u2019m gonna have, with the possible exception of Jon Huntsman, the most international experience of the field, mostly because they\u2019re all governors, but I\u2019ve been to Iraq five times. I\u2019ve been to Afghanistan three times. I\u2019ve been all over the Middle East, including Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, meeting with world leaders. I\u2019ve been to Bosnia, Kosovo. I\u2019ve been all over Europe, led trade missions to South America, Asia, India, so I\u2019ve got a lot of international experience for a governor, and I feel strongly that Obama\u2019s headed in a very dangerous direction. I\u2019ve spoken very forcefully about that. I should say, Rush, on the money thing and the campaign more broadly and the Facebook town hall from Miami tomorrow, I hope people will check out our website at TimPawlenty.com<\/a>. That will give them all the information they need about our campaign.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay. You\u2019ve been to China, too, haven\u2019t you? <\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Several times, yeah. Yes, I have.<\/p>\n

RUSH: The question — I actually misphrased it. I know you\u2019re qualified. You have the guts, too. One of the things that frustrates Republicans is that there seems to be this reluctance on the part of everybody in this party to take President Obama on. Frankly, the reason Donald Trump excited people is because he took it straight to Obama. Netanyahu on Friday, there\u2019s some negative blowback which you can expect, but people were cheering that because Republican voters in this country for two and a half years have watched their party act afraid of President Obama, afraid of the media, afraid of what people are going to say about them. You\u2019re debating Obama. You\u2019re gonna have the ability to say, “Mr. President, you\u2019re just flat-out wrong about the way you\u2019ve gone about creating jobs,” if you think he\u2019s wrong. Are you gonna be able to say that to his face?<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Of course, Rush. If you look at my comments on foreign policy, as an example, we blasted him on the 1967 boundary comments. I\u2019ve been pounding on him relentlessly on foreign policy, on Libya, on the Middle East, and I think I\u2019ve been the first and hardest hitting opponent of his of anybody in the field. And those — you know, that\u2019s all on the website again, too, and other places. So there\u2019s no hesitancy on that front, and as I get better known and more visibility those will be more widely distributed, obviously, but don\u2019t mistake any sort of, you know, unfamiliarity with my record with a hesitancy to attack Obama. We do that all the time. We do it hard. And I\u2019m an old hockey player, you know, I still play some hockey. I know exactly what it takes to go dig the puck out of the corner, take some elbows, give some elbows, and we\u2019ll make sure that that gets done. But don\u2019t confuse people and your listeners with being loud with being strong, either. I mean there\u2019s a lot of people in bars who shoot their mouth off and usually they\u2019re the ones who can\u2019t back it up. You look at my record, I back it up.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I want to play for you one 30-second sound bite from your video that you released on TimPawlenty.com. This is a segment of the video where you talk about the American dream, and you can expand on this when it\u2019s over.<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY (VIDEO): I know the American dream \u2019cause I lived it. And I know for it to be there for the next generation we\u2019re gonna have to do more than give fancy speeches. We\u2019ve had three years of that and it\u2019s not working. Join me tomorrow and around the country in the days and weeks ahead. You won\u2019t hear empty promises. You\u2019ll hear solutions. Together we\u2019ll change our country. And this time, it will be for the better.<\/p>\n

RUSH: People really want that. They really want somebody to do that, Governor.<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Well, Rush, it starts with making sure you understand what made America great. You know, the way forward isn\u2019t complex. It\u2019s not some big mystery. All we gotta do is go back to the things that made the country great. The Founders gave us the road map, they put it in the Founding Documents, you can look back at the chapters, the success of this country, and see what made us great. We just gotta bring those forward and remind each other of what they are and apply \u2019em to the challenges of our time. And for the last group that\u2019s gonna decide the election we\u2019ve gotta have a candidate who can connect at a heart and gut level. You know, I got great white papers on Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank and health care reform and we\u2019ll have those online, but you also got a make a heart and gut connection. <\/p>\n

I grew up in a meatpacking town. My mom died when I was young. My dad was a truck driver. He lost his job not too long after my mom died for a while and he got promoted later to dispatcher. My brothers and sisters couldn\u2019t go to college, not because they didn\u2019t have the capability, they just didn\u2019t have the opportunity. And I\u2019ve lived the American dream, and through hard work and a lot of other help and a loving family and many other things, but when you share that story, I know when people say, “Hey, you Republicans, you don\u2019t know what it\u2019s like not to be able to afford gas in your car or pay your health care or worry about college costs or how you\u2019re even gonna pay the mortgage,” I said, “Yeah, I can, because I\u2019ve walked in your shoes,” and that gives me the chance then to convince them why being a conservative, why joining our team is better, \u2019cause they just don\u2019t stiff arm us right out of the gate.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Governor, thank you. You\u2019re good. You closed with 15 seconds left in the segment and you didn\u2019t know it. Your instincts are right on the money. Thanks so much for your time. Great to talk to you, and best of luck in your quest.<\/p>\n

PAWLENTY: Thanks for the opportunity, Rush. I appreciate it and hope people check out TimPawlenty.com.<\/p>\n

RUSH: TimPawlenty.com<\/a>. Governor Tim Pawlenty, our guest, and we will continue after this.<\/p>\n

END TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

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