{"id":17388,"date":"2011-11-15T17:31:04","date_gmt":"2011-11-15T17:31:04","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-11-15T17:31:04","modified_gmt":"2011-11-15T17:31:04","slug":"sandusky_s_creepy_costas_interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2011\/11\/15\/sandusky_s_creepy_costas_interview\/","title":{"rendered":"Sandusky\u2019s Creepy Costas Interview"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>RUSH: Sandusky did an interview, Penn State coach did an interview with Bob Costas on Rock Center last night.  I\u2019m trying to figure out why this lawyer would let this guy do this.  And the lawyer said, &#8220;Well, you know, we\u2019ve talked to some of these kids. A number of these kids are coming forward saying nothing like this ever happened.&#8221;  But the questions that Sandusky answers, &#8220;Are you a pedophile?&#8221; (paraphrasing) &#8220;No, but&#8230; yeah, well, maybe I shouldn\u2019t-a showered with the boys.  I did touch \u2019em on the legs but it wasn\u2019t sexual, none of that, all this was false.&#8221; (interruption) What?  Does it remind me of anything?  Oh.  Oh.  No, frankly I had not thought of Michael Jackson in this context, but you have a point.  They asked Michael Jackson about kids sleeping over in the bed but I didn\u2019t touch them. The kid was right next to me in the bed but I just wanted to give them a nice home, good night\u2019s sleep.<\/p>\n<p><img id=\"eZObject_56276\" class=\"alignright\" align=\"right\" src=\"https:\/\/live-rush-limbaugh.pantheonsite.io\/wp-content\/uploads\/PennStatecms.png\"\/><BR\/>Sandusky said, (paraphrasing) &#8220;Yeah, we turned the showers on, goofing around in there and towel popping and stuff. I touched \u2019em on the legs but, no, there was nothing sexual.  I had it to do over again I wouldn\u2019t have taken showers with them.&#8221;  And Costas, &#8220;That\u2019s it?&#8221;  &#8220;Yeah, that\u2019s it.  All these charges are false, and I can\u2019t wait for my lawyer to go out and find the evidence and prove my innocence here.&#8221;  The only thing I can think of to do this is if you think you want to have a shot at influencing potential jurors who might appear, might be impaneled down the road in some criminal or civil case.  Very odd.  Because the guy did not help himself at all.  He comes off as just yucky and slimy throughout the whole interview.<\/line><\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Here\u2019s Sandusky with Bob Costas. We\u2019re at 16, 17, and 18. This is last night on Rock Center. So Costas says, &#8220;Mr. Sandusky, it\u2019s a 40-count indictment. The grand jury report contains specific detail. There are multiple accusers, multiple eyewitnesses to various aspects of the abuse. A reasonable person says, &#8216;Where there\u2019s this much smoke, there must be plenty of fire?\u2019 What do you say?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>SANDUSKY: I say that I am innocent of those charges.<\/p>\n<p>COSTAS: Innocent? Completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect?<\/p>\n<p>SANDUSKY: Well, I could say that, you know, I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I &#8212; I have showered after workouts. I &#8212; I have hugged them and I\u2019ve&#8230; I have touched their leg. Without intent of sexual contact.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: So, &#8220;I have showered with them,&#8221; and &#8220;I have touched their leg. Without intent of sexual contact.&#8221; Costas says, &#8220;Well, what are you willing to concede that you\u2019ve done that was wrong and you wish that you had not done it?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>SANDUSKY: Well, in retrospect, I&#8230; you know, shouldn\u2019t have showered with those kids; and, so &#8212;<\/p>\n<p><img id=\"eZObject_56289\" class=\"alignright\" align=\"right\" src=\"https:\/\/live-rush-limbaugh.pantheonsite.io\/wp-content\/uploads\/CostasCoachSanduskyBACK2.jpg\"\/><BR\/>COSTAS: That\u2019s it?<\/line><\/p>\n<p>SANDUSKY: Yeah, well&#8230; That\u2019s &#8212; that\u2019s what hits me the most.<\/p>\n<p>COSTAS: Are you a pedophile?<\/p>\n<p>SANDUSKY: No.<\/p>\n<p>COSTAS: Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?<\/p>\n<p>SANDUSKY: Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?<\/p>\n<p>COSTAS: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>SANDUSKY: Sexually attracted? You know, I &#8212; I enjoy young people. I love to be around them. But, no, I\u2019m not sexually attracted to young boys.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Why would a lawyer let the guy go out and do this? That\u2019s just incredible. Why would the lawyer let the guy go on a show? I don\u2019t know. One more Costas: &#8220;How could somebody think they saw something as extreme and shocking as that when it hadn\u2019t occurred? What would possibly be their motivation to fabricate it?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>SANDUSKY: You\u2019d have to ask them.<\/p>\n<p>COSTAS: It seems that if all of these accusations are false, you are the unluckiest and most persecuted man that any of us has ever heard about.<\/p>\n<p>SANDUSKY: (chuckles) I don\u2019t know what you want me to say. I don\u2019t think that these have been the best days of my life.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Jerry Sandusky, Penn State, denying it all &#8212; well, not denying it all. He\u2019s denying all the sex stuff. He\u2019s not denying showering and touching their legs and &#8220;horsing around&#8221; after workouts, but he\u2019s denying all the sexual contact. He hasn\u2019t done it.<\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Holy cow, folks, this is from The Daily, which is an iPad news publication of the News Corporation.  The defense attorney for Sandusky impregnated a teenager and later married her.  &#8220;According to documents filed with Centre County Courthouse, Amendola served as the attorney for,&#8221; a woman, &#8220;Sept. 3, 1996, just weeks before her 17th birthday.&#8221; And married her.  This is very, very weird.<\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH: Lance in Gulf Breezes, Florida.  Welcome, sir, to the EIB Network.  I\u2019m glad you waited.  I really am.  Hello.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Hey thanks, Rush.  How are you doing?<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Excellent, sir, thanks.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  You know, I agree with you about Cain and all that, but let me tell you why I called.  I want to take you back to the Penn State issue, sexual predator issue, Sandusky.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Just so you know where I\u2019m coming from on this, in my opinion sexual predators of children are like the ultimate scumbags, okay?<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"MRC TV video player\" width=\"575\" height=\"360\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mrctv.org\/embed\/107471\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>CALLER:  They\u2019re the worst.  But Sandusky\u2019s interview with Costas where he talked about, you know, &#8220;I was in the shower with some, we horsed around a bit, it was no big deal,&#8221; and Costas didn\u2019t call him on it, but he acted like this stuff was normal, totally normal.  Listen, I played sports from when I was a little kid all the way up and through my first year of college.  Never one time, not one single time did a coach get naked with us in the shower, not once did he come in and try to horse around in the shower, ever.  And if one had, I think my teammates and I, we woulda all been like, &#8220;Wow, this is really weird. This is embarrassing.&#8221;  I know we would have, because when you\u2019re that age, when you\u2019re a teenager, you\u2019re a young kid, you\u2019re going through various stages of development, just &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  You\u2019re hoping a cheerleader walks in, not the coach.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Well, yeah.  (laughing)  That\u2019s true.  When you\u2019re that age &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Yes.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  &#8212; your testosterone is going nuts, your hormones.  But that\u2019s true.  But you know, to have a coach walk in, even to look in the door as you\u2019re taking &#8212; it was bad enough taking a shower with my teammates, \u2019cause everybody\u2019s self-conscious.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  You got some guys who have developed and look like at 15 like they\u2019re 35, and some of them look like they\u2019re ten.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Yep.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  So you got all these levels of development, and it\u2019s weird being in there in the first place, to have a coach walk in and start fooling around and horsing around and whatever the hell he did?  That\u2019s just crazy.  It\u2019s bizarre, it\u2019s outrageous.  And for him to act like that\u2019s just normal, I can\u2019t believe it.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Well, he did say that if he had it to do over again, he wouldn\u2019t have done that.  He wouldn\u2019t have &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Well, yeah &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  He wouldn\u2019t have done the showers.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Because he\u2019s gotten caught.  That\u2019s why he says that.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  I mean that\u2019s the way people are, &#8220;Oh, yeah, I wouldn\u2019t do it again if I had a choice,&#8221; but what he\u2019s leaving out, &#8220;Oh, yeah, I forgot, I got caught.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  It\u2019s really curious that he would do the interview.  It\u2019s curious that his lawyer would let him do the interview. <\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Then after that decision is made and they\u2019re doing the interview, the way he answered these questions, it just makes it slimier.  There was nothing helpful here.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Well, yeah, if nobody had come forward and there were no witnesses outside of the kid to this, like the other coach, the assistant coach, if there were no witnesses and none of the kids came forward you\u2019d be hard-pressed to prove any of this, of course, but now it\u2019s out there and for him to go on and act like this is normal, it\u2019s like, you know, the thing with &#8212; like you brought up before about Michael Jackson sleeping with kids.  I don\u2019t know, maybe they had their pajamas on, maybe that\u2019s what made that okay, I don\u2019t know, but these kids are in the shower and they\u2019re all naked and he\u2019s naked, and it\u2019s just like &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Well, don\u2019t forget now, Michael Jackson was acquitted.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  I know.  That\u2019s why I say maybe they had their pajamas on or something.  (laughing)  You know, not to minimize it.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  No, that\u2019s not why Michael Jackson was acquitted.  Michael Jackson was acquitted because the prosecution went too far in what they were alleging, and the jury said we don\u2019t see any evidence of that. The jury went right by the law.  A lot of times prosecutors overreach.  I\u2019m not saying there\u2019s a connection here to this.  We don\u2019t know how this case is gonna be prosecuted. I\u2019m just reminding you Jackson was acquitted. I predicted he\u2019d be acquitted because of the way the prosecutors were dealing &#8212; predicted he\u2019d be acquitted because nothing to do with whether he did it with the kids or not because of what the prosecutors were attempting to get a conviction on. They hadn\u2019t laid the groundwork for that and so he\u2019s acquitted, and everybody was outraged over it because everybody knows he did it but the jury said, &#8220;I\u2019m sorry, that\u2019s not what they asked us to decide in the end.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And of course the O.J. jury just decided to do jury nullification, &#8220;To hell with it, I don\u2019t care, we\u2019re gonna show you what it feels like to have somebody guilty walk out of it.  We\u2019re just gonna show you.  We\u2019ve been dying to show you for 200 years, so here you go.&#8221;  So that was the O.J. jury.  The Michael Jackson jury is all different.  This, I heard it said earlier today that maybe the Sandusky legal team is attempting here their one shot at the jury pool.  Because if he doesn\u2019t do any interviews, what chance does he have of explaining his side of this to potential jurors other than before they get to court?  (interruption) I think they did muff it, if that\u2019s the plan.  Very, very few defense lawyers let their clients talk. <\/p>\n<p>One of the most famous defense clients that jabbered all over the place was Blago, and look what that got him.  Blagojevich couldn\u2019t be silenced no matter what his defense lawyers want.  Anyway, Lance I appreciate the call.  He\u2019s exactly right, by the way.  In high school I was the manager for the varsity basketball team, and I played football for one year as a sophomore in high school.  He\u2019s exactly right.  The last place you ever saw any of the coaches was in the showers.  You never saw the coaches undressed.  Never.  It never, ever happened.  And had it happened, he\u2019s right, old Lance, it would have been the oddest, strangest thing.  Somebody woulda told their parents about it, and that would have been the end of the coach.  Now, I\u2019m talking 1967, obviously, not now.  We don\u2019t know what those kids said to their parents.  That\u2019s all to come out later.<\/p>\n<p>BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  We have Georgia next from Scotland, Maryland, on the Excellence in Broadcasting Network.  Georgia, hi.  Great to have you here.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Oh, it\u2019s a pleasure to be speaking with you, Rush.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Thank you very much.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  I\u2019m just wondering why the board of trustees hasn\u2019t been questioned in all this.  Now, what policies did they have in place to protect the children at Penn State?<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Okay, here\u2019s the policies.  What happened at Penn State was if things like this were spotted, the people spotting it were supposed tell superiors within the administration, so this McQueary was supposed to tell his superior, which would have been Paterno.  He went and told his dad. His dad said you gotta tell Paterno. Somebody told Paterno. Paterno was then supposed to report it to superiors, which he did.  I don\u2019t know who those superiors are.  At some point it was supposed to get up to the board of trustees.  Also in a situation like this, the law is that this kind of infraction, the police need to be called immediately and they weren\u2019t.  Although there are conflicting stories on this. <\/p>\n<p>There are some people alleging that Paterno did call the cops but it hasn\u2019t been reported and he\u2019s curious as to why.  It\u2019s a mishmash out there.  But it looks like your question\u2019s a good one because this goes back to the nineties. It was as recent as 2002, 2006, this coach was still bringing recruits into the football building, and he had that Sandusky dessert that was on sale at the ice cream shop.  It looks like a whole lot of people had some idea what was going on and just chose to ignore it because they didn\u2019t want to do anything that might harm the football program and the money and so forth.  That\u2019s what it looks like, doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Yes.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  But I can\u2019t answer why the board of trustees is off the hook.  I think everybody is now in a CYA mode.  That\u2019s why what you see happening now is happening, people getting canned, people being fired, administrative leave, any number of things, because now, with the attorney general looking into this at the state level and who knows whatever civil and criminal action is yet to be forthcoming, everybody\u2019s now in CYA mode, which is covering themselves up and making it look like they did everything they were supposed to do when, but it\u2019s gonna be tough because Sandusky, up until just a few years ago, was still prowling the place.  Anything else?<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  No.  Thank you, Rush.  That was all I wanted to contribute today.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Wait.  You obviously have some thoughts about this yourself \u2019cause nobody\u2019s asked about the board of trustees. You\u2019re the first that\u2019s brought that aspect of it up.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Well, I just find it, you know, curious why they would shine the spotlight on Mr. Paterno, who, you know, obviously there was a report made, the police were involved, prosecutors were involved, one of the prosecutors is missing.  That in and of itself shows that something had been done.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  That is weird.  This prosecutor\u2019s been missing since 2005 and nobody\u2019s talking much about that.  But that\u2019s intriguing to me.<\/p>\n<p>CALLER:  Yeah.  And that\u2019s why I wondered, why hasn\u2019t any &#8212; you know, I feel that the board of trustees may have been shining the spotlight on Mr. Paterno to take the light off of themselves.<\/p>\n<p>RUSH:  Well, it looks that way.  It looks like a lot of people are trying to shine the light everywhere but on themselves.  So this probably is gonna get much worse, too, before it gets better.  If there were other victims, they\u2019ll be forthcoming.  There are gonna be fake alleged victims.  There are gonna be all kinds of people trying to get in on the money that people are gonna see possibly to be made here.  This is not gonna go away, and all day long I\u2019ve been watching, PMSNBC\u2019s practically running excerpts of the Bob Costas interview on NBC last night in a repetitive loop, in a continual loop, going over and over and over again.  It\u2019s almost as though they know that Sandusky\u2019s a Republican.  I don\u2019t know what he is, I\u2019m just guessing that MSNBC\u2019s hoping and praying that he is and they hope to make some political connection to this.  You know they\u2019re thinking that way, and if it turns out Sandusky\u2019s a Democrat we\u2019ll never find out, pure and simple.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>RUSH: Sandusky did an interview, Penn State coach did an interview with Bob Costas on Rock Center last night. 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