{"id":17153,"date":"2011-12-09T18:27:06","date_gmt":"2011-12-09T18:27:06","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-12-09T18:27:06","modified_gmt":"2011-12-09T18:27:06","slug":"the_ron_paul_problem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/admin.rushlimbaugh.com\/daily\/2011\/12\/09\/the_ron_paul_problem\/","title":{"rendered":"The Ron Paul Problem"},"content":{"rendered":"

RUSH: It\u2019s Open Line Friday, and we go to Houston. This is Kevin. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Thank you, Rush. Real pleasure to talk to you. You\u2019re one of my Three Wise Men, you and Sean and Mark.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thank you very much, sir.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Yeah, the point I wanted to make is I\u2019ve been following Donald Trump <\/a>ever since he\u2019s entered the political arena — you know, whether it\u2019s official or not — and, I mean, the guy is unmistakably liberal over the years. He\u2019s given donations to Harry Reid and Tony the Weiner, all of a sudden we\u2019re supposed to believe he\u2019s a conservative? To me I think he\u2019s an Obama plant, and he\u2019s there just to whip up enough interest in him to where if he sees that there\u2019s a true threat to Obama, that he\u2019ll jump in and run as a third candidate, siphon off just enough votes to ensure Obama is reelected.<\/p>\n

RUSH: So let\u2019s just cut to the chase here: You believe that Donald Trump is Obama\u2019s Trojan horse?<\/line><\/p>\n

CALLER: I do.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Simply because of Trump\u2019s past?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Oh, yeah. I mean, that\u2019s what you run on. I mean, don\u2019t you judge people on their track record? You know, judge them on what they say. Look at Obama; he had no track record. Donald Trump does. We can look at it. It\u2019s real clear. If you followed him over the years and the things he said, who he\u2019s supported, it seems to me —<\/p>\n

RUSH: You think Trump ought to moderate the debate?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, you know… (sigh) He wouldn\u2019t be much worse than the people that have moderated before but at the same time I just truly believe that he\u2019s gonna jump in there and siphon off enough votes. I mean, if you look at how the birth certificate issue went and all that it just seemed like it was just too (sigh) orchestrated, the way it all came out. All of a sudden, it just disappeared. We get the phony birth certificate all —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah, but who did that…? Look, to the extent that you think that, do you think that made Trump look good or bad?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, it depends on who\u2019s looking at it. (laughs) To me it was like a… To me it was like a… It — it — it just looked like… (sigh) It was like a carnival, a carnival act. You know, I can never take the guy seriously, but still if you look at the things he\u2019s said, all of a sudden we\u2019re supposed to believe that he went from a screaming liberal to a “physical” conservative?<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I don\u2019t know that Trump\u2019s been a screaming liberal all of his life. Trump\u2019s had to play it both sides. We know. In fact, I had Trump on this program when he first announced, and there are a lot of people called here and they were suspicious, as you were, because Trump had given a lot of money to Chicago politicians: Rahm Emanuel\u2019s gubernatorial run. He gave money to Rahm Emanuel. I asked him about it, and I said, “Mr. Trump, you know, a lot of people, a lot of Republicans are very suspicious of this,” and he gave an answer that you would expect.<\/p>\n

He said (summarized), “I do business in Chicago. You gotta deal with the people in power there. If you want to get anything done. I would love for the Republicans to be running Chicago, but they\u2019re not. I\u2019m building belief in Chicago, I got activities I got planned in Chicago. I gotta go through Democrats if I wanna get permits and all this. What am I supposed to do?” He said, “I got friends all over the political spectrum.” The thing about Trump in this cycle is what he\u2019s saying about Obama is no different than what any of us are saying about Obama. Yeah, the birth certificate was a little late, and after it was assumed to have been put to bed. But it\u2019s interesting.<\/p>\n

This guy, by the way, from Houston, Kevin, he\u2019s not the only one that I\u2019ve run into who thinks this. Well, there are a lot of them out there, Snerdley, a lot of people. I run into \u2019em (I don\u2019t particularly like talking to people, but they don\u2019t know that, I run into \u2019em, and they talk to me) and there is a lot of suspicion about this. I\u2019ve had the term Trojan horse used to me twice this week by people who are doubtful. The thing that set \u2019em both off was what Trump says, “If I don\u2019t like the nominee, I\u2019m running third party,” \u2019cause everybody knows third party guarantees Obama. Everybody. I\u2019m gonna tell you… Folks, let me tell you something, get serious here.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve tried to do remain giddy and lighthearted, it\u2019s Friday, and I\u2019ve tried to have one day here of just not lackadaisical, but lightheartedness, but let me get serious here for a second. I appreciate a lot of you are suspicious of Trump. What\u2019s happening with Ron Paul is something to which I think we need to pay attention. The media is understandably excited, and they are pushing Ron Paul. They\u2019re very excited. Ron Paul was just on Megyn Kelly on Fox. But he\u2019s all over everywhere and he\u2019s being discussed with total credibility, and it\u2019s a problem — and I\u2019ll tell you why it\u2019s a problem for me. Pure and simple, it is Ron Paul\u2019s foreign policy. This is what Ron Paul said recently: <\/line>“Think of what happened after 9\/11, the minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the [Bush] administration because now we can invade Iraq, and so the war drums beat.”<\/line><\/p>\n

Ron Paul said this Wednesday night, “before a packed room of a thousand students and supporters,” and he said, “That\u2019s exactly what [this administration is] doing now with Iran.” I know a lot of people like Ron Paul\u2019s domestic policy. He\u2019s very tough talking on budget cuts and shrinking government and individual liberty, and that\u2019s attractive. But, folks, this foreign policy is disastrous — and to sit there, to attack the country this way, to say that the Bush administration was in “glee,” the Bush administration was happy? This is Democrat talk, to say that George W. Bush was happy, that Cheney was happy after 9\/11 because, “A-ha, there\u2019s our excuse to attack Iraq!”<\/p>\n

This is the reason that there are a lot of people who are uncomfortable with him. Now, the long knives continue to be out for Newt<\/a> today all over. It\u2019s exactly what I told you yesterday. I hope you were here yesterday. George Will has a column coming on Sunday — I\u2019m just gonna tell you — that warns that Ron Paul will probably give Obama the election. Ron Paul might go third party. This foreign policy, it\u2019s just nutty, folks! The Republican establishment wants no part of Newt for the reasons that I detailed yesterday. The Republican establishment is governed totally — in fact, I\u2019ve got some sound bites here. Snerdley, he didn\u2019t believe me yesterday. I\u2019ve got some sound bites here, Republican — I forget who; look it up; worried about what happened to Goldwater is gonna happen again if we nominate a conservative.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s Goldwater and that landslide that scares the Republican establishment. Not the Reagan victories in the \u201980s, but the Goldwater landslide in \u201964. So the Republican establishment gets behind Romney, and they turned everything upside down. Normally, as I said yesterday, to win the nomination you secure the base; after you win the nomination with the party base, then you move to the center to win the general election by getting disaffected members of the opposite party and moderates, independents. What the Republicans have done is they\u2019ve pushed Romney, the moderate, and they\u2019ve tried to split the vote of the conservatives with all these other candidates. I mean, they\u2019re standing tradition and theory on its head as they try to steer this to Romney, and it\u2019s all backfiring on them now. Now, Ron Paul looks like he might win Iowa. Other people are saying it looks like Newt\u2019s getting stronger in Iowa, too.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s all over the place now.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Tammy in Tucson, Arizona, great to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hi, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Hi.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hey, I\u2019m 41, I have five kids, I\u2019m just a regular folk, and I\u2019m afraid we\u2019re gonna be choking down another handpicked establishment candidate this year, and I have an idea how we can send a message.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay.<\/p>\n

CALLER: I think we need another Operation Chaos in Iowa. Maybe change the name, but let them know that they can\u2019t do this and we should write in Herman Cain and let them know that the grassroots movement exists and they can\u2019t pick the candidate. Even if you don\u2019t support Cain, if you\u2019re on the fence or you\u2019re not sure what you\u2019re gonna do, 75% of the voters are supposed to be still undecided in Iowa, we need to send the establishment the message that you don\u2019t pick our candidates. We need you to start an operation movement.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah, but that\u2019s not gonna go anywhere. I mean to advise people to write in “Herman Cain” when he\u2019s gonna end up as a commentator on Fox News? I didn\u2019t mean to let anything out of the bag. I don\u2019t know that. I just know the career trajectory here on failed candidates. I just know where they end up. I don\u2019t know anything, folks. “I know nuthink,” as Sergeant Schultz once said, “I know nuthink.” But no, I mean to write in somebody\u2019s name that\u2019s pulled out of the race. We don\u2019t need a write-in. This third party business, a lot of people are worried Trump\u2019s gonna do it. I think Ron Paul would do it, and if Ron Paul does it — look, we know that anybody after this nomination process is over is ticked off enough that goes third party, that\u2019s it. You split the Republican vote, no third party candidate\u2019s gonna win, no third-party candidate is gonna win beans in this election. <\/line><\/p>\n

All the third-party candidate is going to do is secure victory for Obama, and if that happens, if somebody on our side goes third party, as far as I\u2019m concerned, that\u2019s what they\u2019re trying to make happen, reelect Obama, for whatever reason, anger at the electorate on the Republican side for not nominating them, anger at other people for what happened to \u2019em, what was said during the campaign, whatever. But I think it\u2019s one of the reasons why the GOP is afraid to get tough and tell Ron Paul, “Look, you\u2019re not polling anywhere, get out of this debate, you don\u2019t belong here.” They\u2019re not gonna tell him that. They don\u2019t want to upset him and have him go third party. That would really upset. What they\u2019re doing is boosting his fan base. They think Ron Paul can split the conservative vote. Folks, I\u2019m here to tell you, there is no conservative movement in the Republican Party. By this I mean the establishment, the inside-the-Beltway crowd. The consultants are trying to split the conservative vote in the primaries, not coalesce around it. <\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: Jim in Danville, Virginia. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Hey, thank you, Rush. Longtime listener, first-time caller, and mega dittos from the last Confederate capital of the Confederacy. My call today is basically about earlier in the week you were talking about voters that were concerned that candidates that were in the lead of the primary were not conservative enough. Well, I\u2019m one of those voters. <\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, obviously if you\u2019re from the capital of the Confederacy.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, that\u2019s —<\/p>\n

RUSH: Is that how you look at things now, from the capital of the Confederacy? Nobody\u2019s gonna be conservative enough for you.<\/p>\n

CALLER: No, that\u2019s just our little claim to fame here in Danville. But anyway, beside the point. The problem that we have is that neither Newt or Mitt are conservative enough. And we voted last November, and sent candidates up there to do a job, to stop the spending, and what did they do? They turned right around and did the same thing that the Democrats were doing. That\u2019s why a lot of us are upset and disgusted with the Republican Party right now, because they didn\u2019t do what we sent \u2019em to go up there and do and I refuse to vote for another John McCain.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, so who is your perfect candidate?<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, I liked Herman Cain until they destroyed him. And right now I\u2019m leaning towards Bachmann or Santorum.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I think it\u2019s still possible for Bachmann and Santorum because I think what\u2019s happening out there, everybody in this mix thinks, you can read it, you can sense it, everybody in this mix senses Newt is gonna implode. I mean everybody, the other candidates. Everybody senses that Newt is one of these guys that can\u2019t stand prosperity. There are a lot of people that think Newt, don\u2019t know how, don\u2019t know when but he\u2019s gonna do or say something that just causes an implosion of one degree or another and that they all figure — Bachmann, Perry, Santorum — they all figure that they\u2019re gonna be the ones left standing for conservatives to flock to, if that happens. That is one of the reasons these people are staying in. <\/p>\n

Now, Jim here is not the only one. A lot of people that I talk to who are not happy with Mitt or Newt leading the pack, I ask them, “Well, okay, who?” I always get one or two names, Santorum or Bachmann. But Santorum, Bachmann and Perry are lurking, they\u2019re hanging around. We haven\u2019t had a vote cast yet. They are of the opinion that Newt has the ability, cause it\u2019s happened before, to implode. To do something, say something, you know, sit down on the couch with Pelosi, that kind of thing. If he\u2019s done it once they think he can do it again and they\u2019re lurking and they\u2019re waiting around to be the ones who pick up the pieces if it happens again because everybody knows that at least 70% of Republican primary voters want nothing to do with Romney.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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