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RUSH: We welcome to the program this afternoon Senator Rand Paul from Kentucky. Senator, you got some sleep last night, I trust?<\/p>\n

PAUL: Well, I did, but, you know, I was thinking of you when I was in the middle of this 13-hours. I got about five hours into it and I was like, “Well, Rush does four hours of this every day. Certainly I can do four more hours.”<\/p>\n

RUSH: (chuckling) That\u2019s awfully nice of you to say, but I doubt that I was in your thoughts last night, although I appreciate the comment. When did you decide, Senator, that you wanted to make this a filibuster? Did it just happen spontaneously or did you have a plan for it?<\/p>\n

PAUL: We\u2019ve been talking for a week about how important the issue is, that it\u2019s a constitutional issue and has more to do with the Constitution than it does to do with individuals. But we didn\u2019t decide on doing it, really, \u2019til I walked in that morning. I was walking into the Capitol and unfortunately didn\u2019t have very good shoes on for it, either. My shoes were hurting me the whole time.<\/p>\n

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But we walked in, and you have to look for an opportunity when the floor is open. The Democrats control the floor, and most of the time they tie it up where you\u2019re not allowed to filibuster. And the floor became open, and it was either today or Wednesday or Thursday, and we decided the opportunity was there, and we went for it. But we had prepared for it in the sense that I\u2019d been going over articles about drones in the discussion for a couple weeks.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, the American people recently, modern era, hear about a “filibuster,” and to them it just means everything\u2019s on hold \u2019til somebody comes up with 60 votes. You actually had… People were marveling last night. We actually had a speaking or a talking filibuster. You had some help from people on your side and even had some Democrats join you. I\u2019ll tell you what, you probably know this, but the people of this country — and I think it\u2019s a majority of people, Senator — are very frustrated at how we\u2019re being governed by a minority. We\u2019re the majority of thinking in this country, people that heard you filibustering on the topic you were filibustering on last night.<\/p>\n

The idea of a smaller government — and government\u2019s simply out of control, too big, too much in debt — that is a majority viewpoint. But nobody in the Republican Party has dared take this president on. You did last night, and you\u2019re alive today to talk about it, and nobody\u2019s calling you names. You are, in certain ways, a hero to a lot of people today, and I hope this kind of thing continues. I hope the reaction you\u2019ve gotten… I know you\u2019re getting some criticism, I\u2019ll ask about a minute, but to me this was a seminal event last night that could change the direction that we are all heading, particularly in terms of educating and informing the American people about what actually is happening in their country.<\/p>\n

PAUL: Well, you know, we ask a pretty important question, and that\u2019s whether you get to pick and choose which parts of the Bill of Rights apply to American citizens. And, you know, the Fifth Amendment says you get a right to a trial, you get a right to due process. And we don\u2019t think the president or any politician, Republican or Democrat, should get to choose when the Fifth Amendment applies. We also just weren\u2019t satisfied with him when he said, “Well, I intend to not do this. I don\u2019t intend to kill Americans.”<\/p>\n

The problem is, it\u2019s sort of like indefinite detention. We can now detain American citizens without trial, and he says, “Well, I don\u2019t intend to.” Well, his oath of office says, “I will preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.” It doesn\u2019t say, “I intend to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.” So we want stronger language. We want him to admit it. We\u2019re still talking to the White House today, and we\u2019re not gonna let the nomination go forward in any expeditious fashion unless he will answer the question directly.<\/p>\n

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RUSH: Well, that\u2019s a good point. Your filibuster ostensibly was to protest the nomination of John Brennan as the CIA director, but it\u2019s taken on a much larger universe of ideas now. It\u2019s become bigger than just the Brennan nomination. Now, I imagine a lot of people who came to this whole debate late, who hear that the subject being discussed is whether or not the president will promise not to kill American people sitting in a cafe who are not engaging in any provocative behavior, are saying, “Come on! There\u2019s no president that would ever do that. What are we talking about here?” So why are you concerned? Do you actually need this in writing from the president to be assured that this is something he wouldn\u2019t do?<\/p>\n

PAUL: Well, here\u2019s the question. It seems so absurd and so bizarre, and it should be a really easy question to answer. But the reason we asked the question is, we currently do drone strikes overseas, and I\u2019m all for \u2019em when people are shooting at American soldiers, I think they\u2019re a great tool. I think it\u2019s a great weapon we should use to defend American soldiers and American lives. But we are also killing a lot of people who aren\u2019t actively involved. Now, they may be bad people. They may have been involved yesterday or going to be tomorrow.<\/p>\n

But we kill them at home, asleep, in restaurants, cafes, et cetera. Now, that standard may be okay overseas. I think it\u2019s debatable, but at home that standard\u2019s not good enough. So if you\u2019re in a cafe and you\u2019ve been e-mailing your cousin who lives in the Middle East, and people here in a conference room say, “Well, you\u2019re an enemy combatant,” well, I think you can be accused then of being associated with a terrorist if that person in the Mideast is a terrorist, but you need to be arrested and you need to have a chance to defend yourself.<\/p>\n

If you have a grenade launcher, though, you don\u2019t get due process.<\/p>\n

So if you\u2019re attacking America, inside or out, American or otherwise, you don\u2019t get a lawyer or due process if you\u2019re setting up a bomb. But you do, if you\u2019re in a cafe eating with somebody or sending an e-mail to someone, it needs to be clear that if you\u2019re a noncombatant — if you\u2019re not engaged in combat — that you get your day in court. The problem is the president came forward with this document that he leaked, this drone document, and he said in it that an imminent threat doesn\u2019t have to be an immediate threat, and then there are these pictures of people being killed around the world who are not engaged in combat, and I just don\u2019t think that standard can be used here at home.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Senator Cruz yesterday, in hearings at his committee with the attorney general<\/a>, eventually pried from the attorney general that such behavior as you just described by the government would indeed be unconstitutional. It took him a while.<\/p>\n

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PAUL: (chuckling)<\/p>\n

RUSH: It was like pulling teeth without Novocain but he finally got that done. Now, that was earlier in the day. Why wasn\u2019t that enough for you to end your filibuster?<\/p>\n

PAUL: Well, we got that news a couple hours into it. I talked to Senator Cruz. But it\u2019s hard to have conversations \u2019cause I had to keep talking the whole time. But we did get a transcript of it and we read through it, and I described it later on in a debate as a “withering cross-examination by Senator Cruz.” That\u2019s basically what it was. He did not want to answer the question, and I think it was under duress and the word “constitutional” never occurs in any of his answers. So all we want is a short paragraph.<\/p>\n

I think they\u2019re coming towards us. We want them to answer something that every American believes: That you cannot target an American, on American soil, and kill them without first charging, arresting, or convicting them in a court of law. I think every American believes that, left and right. But some who are so fearful say, “Oh, America\u2019s the battlefield and this is law of war over here.” But “law of war” means you don\u2019t get due process, and I\u2019m not against that. In the middle of a war when you\u2019re shooting at someone, you don\u2019t get a lawyer. You don\u2019t get due process.<\/p>\n

But in America, eating at a restaurant, you get arrested and you get due process.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I —<\/p>\n

PAUL: And that is a really important distinction, and we need to have that debate because there are some up here arguing — in fact, the Wall Street Journal today argues — that if you\u2019re declared an enemy combatant, you can be killed. The problem is, who gets to decide when you\u2019re an enemy combatant and when you\u2019re not?<\/p>\n

RUSH: The president does. He\u2019s got the kill list.<\/p>\n

PAUL: That\u2019s a real problem for me.<\/p>\n

RUSH: He\u2019s bragging about it, Senator. He\u2019s bragging. They\u2019re trying to build up his tough, pro-military credentials by saying, “He\u2019s got the kill list. He picks the names.”<\/p>\n

PAUL: Well, the Bureau of Justice has come forward with some criterion for people you need to report on if you know these people. These are people with missing fingers, stains on their clothes, people who like to pay in cash, people who have weatherized ammunition, and more than seven days of food. These are people who are potential terrorists. And if that\u2019s the list, I know a lot of people on that list. I\u2019m a little concerned that they ought to get a trial before they get a drone strike ordered.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I\u2019m on that list!<\/p>\n

PAUL: (laughing)<\/p>\n

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RUSH: I am! You raise an interesting point. It\u2019s 2013. There are a lot of people today who can\u2019t believe — literally can\u2019t believe — that the highest law enforcement officials in the country will not, with ease, assure the American people that they will not be randomly targeted by a drone while they\u2019re minding their own business and not threatening anybody. This doesn\u2019t even seem, to most people, to be something that should take five seconds to answer.<\/p>\n

PAUL: And the real debate is bigger than President Obama or any president. It\u2019s bigger than Republican or Democrat. It\u2019s about what Madison said in the Federalist Papers. He said basically that you can\u2019t… You know, if you had a government of angels, we wouldn\u2019t have to worry about having rules. But we don\u2019t always have a government of angels, and that\u2019s why we have the rule of law to prevent the time when a democracy can make a mistake and elect a bad person, an evil person to office. So this is not always about the here and now. It\u2019s about protecting people in the future from bad government.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Exactly. By the way, a point of clarification. When I said I was on the list, I meant I fit the criteria. I don\u2019t think I\u2019m on anybody\u2019s list.<\/p>\n

PAUL: Yeah, I\u2019ve seen the list, but I don\u2019t want to announce in front of you whether you\u2019re on the list or not.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) Okay, well, I fit the criteria. Now, let\u2019s get to the critics. Senator McCain, who went out to dinner last night with President Obama, along with Senator Graham, said that what you\u2019re doing is a waste of time, and you\u2019re actually maybe doing something harmful. You are somehow conveying to the American people that the rules of the Senate are being abused. What in the world could he possibly be talking about, and what is your reaction to his criticism<\/a>?<\/p>\n

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PAUL: You know, I think we\u2019ve struck a nerve, and there is a little bit of a difference within the Republican caucus and a growing sort of division on some of these issues. Their side believes that the battlefield is everywhere. And this is what John Brennan believes here. He says there\u2019s no geographic limitation to the battlefield. And that means that if the battlefield is America also, then the people, you know, like Senator McCain and Graham, they believe that the laws of war apply. The problem is that the laws of war don\u2019t involve due process. And I understand when you\u2019re in war, you don\u2019t get due process. So in the battlefield you don\u2019t ask your opponent, you know, for Miranda rights, you don\u2019t present them with warrants. You shoot your opponent.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yet.<\/p>\n

PAUL: That\u2019s a different sphere than America. That\u2019s why the military operates overseas and the police operate here. We have different sets of rules. I don\u2019t want to believe that we\u2019re gonna have to live in America as a battlefield because I know these young men and women. When they go over they\u2019re fighting for the Bill of Rights, they tell me so and I believe so, and I know that\u2019s why we\u2019ve sent them. They\u2019re fighting for the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, but if we give up and say, oh, we\u2019re gonna have the law of war, the law of war doesn\u2019t include the Bill of Rights.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Senator Graham said that your filibuster has convinced him to vote to confirm Brennan.<\/p>\n

PAUL: Hmm. Well, he misses the point. This has never been about Brennan. This is about the president and whether or not he will respond to the request I\u2019ve made. And the request is very simple: Can you kill Americans not engaged in combat in America with a drone strike. And I think the answer\u2019s gotta be an unequivocal “no.” Brennan may win over my objections but I\u2019m gonna ask this question of the president. I\u2019m gonna keep asking \u2019til we get an answer. We\u2019ve asked them this morning. We\u2019ve talked with the White House this morning. Other Republicans are calling the White House, so I\u2019m having assistance with other members of my caucus who want the answer, too. I think we will get an answer.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Let me give you a real world example. We have, and it\u2019s been criticized by some, we have killed an American with a drone strike, an admitted, acknowledged terrorist. His name was Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen. Now, let\u2019s play hypothetical, Senator. Let\u2019s put him in an American cafe, but everything else about him we know. We know he\u2019s a terrorist. We know he\u2019s acknowledged it. We know that he was involved in the USS Cole, whatever terrorist activity. Let\u2019s put him in Chicago and he\u2019s at an outdoor cafe in the summer waiting to go to a Cubs game. Is the administration asking for the right to drone him, to kill him with a drone on American soil if he\u2019s in that circumstance?<\/p>\n

PAUL: You know, Senator Cruz addressed this last night, is that if he\u2019s in America and he doesn\u2019t have a weapon or grenade launcher on his shoulder, obviously we\u2019d arrest him. Senator Chambliss also made the point that that\u2019s how we\u2019ll get information, is by arresting people. And, if they don\u2019t have a weapon, why in the world would we want to kill \u2019em first? We\u2019d get no information. Some of that argument\u2019s been made overseas, but particularly in this country when you\u2019re unarmed and the police can arrest you, why would we not arrest you? So even when someone\u2019s clearly guilty, if we can arrest \u2019em, it\u2019s preferable for intelligence reasons. If they\u2019ve got a grenade launcher on their shoulder, any kind of lethal force can be used against them. If they\u2019re flying planes into our buildings, F-16s, bombs, rockets, any way we can stop people from attacking us, we use.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Right. But al-Awlaki was not doing any of that when we killed him in Yemen.<\/p>\n

PAUL: Yeah, there\u2019s a debate overseas how you ought to do it as well because is there a difference for American citizens than foreigners? My argument — not everybody agrees on this. We\u2019re all agreed, I think, or many of us on American citizens on American soil. Overseas, my preference with al-Awlaki would be to have a fairly expeditious trial for treason. Not one with multiple appeals. One at the highest court level and then I would do the drone strike after convicting him of treason. There aren\u2019t very many of these people, so this isn\u2019t something we\u2019re gonna go through every week. <\/p>\n

The problem is, and this is where I really find the president\u2019s men reprehensible, is that when Awlaki\u2019s son is killed in a separate strike later, two weeks, we think it\u2019s a signature strike. They won\u2019t tell us all these things, but a signature strike is where you just knock out a caravan. You don\u2019t know who all\u2019s in it. You just think they\u2019re bad people coming from a place where bad people are gathered. And when he was killed there, the president\u2019s man responded, and they said do you feel bad about killing the 16-year-old, are you gonna say was he a target or was he an accident, he said, “Well, he should have chosen a more responsible father.” And so my question yesterday was, is that the standard we\u2019re gonna take in America? If you\u2019re related to bad people are you allowed to be killed with a drone strike? You know, so the standards overseas, there is maybe some question about those standards, but for goodness\u2019 sakes, we can\u2019t have a standard in America that if you\u2019re related to someone who\u2019s committed evil or someone who is bad, that you are now eligible for a drone strike.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Senator, I have to take a quick break. Do you have just two more minutes when we get back?<\/p>\n

PAUL: Yes.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay, great. Senator Rand Paul is with us discussing his filibuster last night, the reasons for it. <\/p>\n

We\u2019ll be back just a second.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: We\u2019re back. We have Kentucky Senator Rand Paul fresh off his… how long did your filibuster go last night? Excess of 12 hours?<\/p>\n

PAUL: I think it was close to 13, but just shy of 13 hours. I think it may have been the second longest one since Strom Thurmond in 1957.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Were you thinking of trying to beat that record and the call of nature just overwhelmed?<\/p>\n

PAUL: Well, his was 24 hours, so we were only halfway there, and the other thing is, is, he was using some means of beating the rules on biological functions. He had some secret devices he was using.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I see.<\/p>\n

PAUL: And I\u2019ve been there and inserted those, and I decided I didn\u2019t want one of those.<\/p>\n

RUSH: (laughing) Okay. Now, one more reaction to criticism you\u2019re getting is that what you\u2019re really doing, you have a larger mission here that is hidden, and that is similar to your father. You simply don\u2019t like drones, period. You don\u2019t like them being used, the War on Terror, particularly against Islamists, and that that\u2019s what you\u2019re really aiming for here by calling attention to their use domestically. What do you say to people that say that?<\/p>\n

PAUL: Well, I would say that\u2019s not accurate. You know, I don\u2019t object to the technology. And, in fact, I\u2019ve been supportive of the drone strikes, particularly in aiding our soldiers in battle. I\u2019m not necessarily against targeted strikes overseas. I think we have to look at the rules. But at home, I\u2019m absolutely opposed to targeted strikes on Americans. So I think there\u2019s some debatable things overseas. In the military action, I\u2019m absolutely in favor of them. I think drones in America, if you have hostage situations or bombs, you know, we use robots to disable bombs, there\u2019s all kinds of reasons for the technology to be used. In America, though, I am worried about them doing surveillance without warrants, flying over my farm, watching where I hunt, things like that. Looking at my farmland with the EPA, there\u2019s all kinds of potential abuses, but it\u2019s not the technology. It really gets back to the Bill of Rights. If you obey the Bill of Rights, I don\u2019t have any problem with drones.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Senator, I appreciate your time. And I know you\u2019re being hotly pursued today by a lot of people that want to talk to you. I just want to say that I don\u2019t know if you\u2019ve had time to get a lot of feedback or if you\u2019re aware of it, but you\u2019ve turned a lot of people last night, including people predisposed to oppose Republicans. You hit a nerve with a lot of people last night. And you did demonstrate that this administration can be criticized. You can take this administration on and you can get public support for doing so. I hope that others learn from your example and pick up on it going forward.<\/p>\n

PAUL: Thanks, Rush. Thanks for having me on.<\/p>\n

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