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RUSH: We are joined for the next few minutes by the vice president of the United States, Dick Cheney. Mr. Vice President, as always, it\u2019s a thrill to have you with us today, sir.<\/line><\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, good afternoon, Rush.<\/p>\n

RUSH: All right. Social Security. That\u2019s one of the things that I wanted to ask you about here today, and I\u2019m sensing that there\u2019s some trepidation on the Democrat Party side that they\u2019re just doing nothing but obstructing and you can see some, I think, preliminary cracks among the Democrats. The main thing I want to focus on with you here at first is Republicans. Some of us — and I will include myself in this — look at some of the elected Republicans in the House and Senate, and we don\u2019t see the same courage there that\u2019s being exhibited by the administration in passing this and getting this forward. There\u2019s a story today in the Washington Times: “Conservatives in and out of Congress say President Bush has been taking bad advice on Social Security, hurting his chance to win the private investment accounts.” They quote a senior Republican senator not by name as saying, “The message coming out of the White House is that we\u2019ll fix Social Security by raising your taxes and cutting your retirement benefits, and to get something passed we\u2019ll forget about the personal retirement accounts that we promised.” What do you make of all this, and where is this going?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, I don\u2019t know who that (chuckle) anonymous source was but it doesn\u2019t represent the president\u2019s thinking at all, Rush. I think we\u2019re just in the early stages of the debate. It\u2019s been about five weeks, six weeks now since the president gave his State of the Union address. He\u2019s on the road right now, hit four states in two days. I\u2019m headed out shortly myself, and we\u2019re beginning to have a very important national dialogue on the future of the Social Security system, and those who say, “There\u2019s no problem,” or that they\u2019re not willing to engage in debate or that they\u2019re opposed to doing anything are basically advocating a 27% cut in benefits for everybody who\u2019s 30-years-old today looking towards retirement 30 years out, because that\u2019s, in fact, what will happen. We\u2019re in a big hole if we don\u2019t act, and it\u2019s very important that we do so and I think the American people recognize that.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, I think the American people do, in mass. That\u2019s what makes the actions by some Republicans in Congress — and I know this is tough for you to comment on, and I\u2019m not trying to lure you into anything here. I\u2019m generally trying to learn something because we see courage — and I\u2019ll be honest with you — see courage on the part of you and on the part of the president and those in the administration that are trying to advance the notion that this program is 70-years-old and needs some reform, but… For example, some of the people in Congress, some of the Republicans are upset that the president did not rule out raising the ceiling on income for taxation to $90,000. Some are upset that the president has not ruled out a bunch of things on this, and I know you said that we\u2019re at the early stages and the president said yesterday that he fears for the politician who doesn\u2019t get on board this. But what are your plans specifically? I know you have a plan for the Democrats. What are your plans to bring some of these Republicans that appear recalcitrant on this along with you?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, we\u2019re meeting with them. We\u2019ve had more meetings than I can count down here at the White House now in terms of bringing in ten, 15, 20 members at a time in the Cabinet Room or upstairs in the family quarters of the residence just to talk about Social Security. We\u2019ve been doing that steadily now for over a month. We\u2019ve probably visited with most of the members of the House and Senate now in small groups, talking about this issue. We\u2019re also actively and aggressively getting out there on the road. I think a lot of members are going to hold their powder, hold their fire until they see whether or not they\u2019re successful in terms of educating the public, getting this issue front and center and getting people willing to think about the changes that are needed if we\u2019re going to save Social Security long term. So we\u2019re actively involved in that process now, and I think most of the Republicans that I\u2019m dealing with, certainly, are either actively thinking about solutions — in some cases putting forward their own ideas as Senator Lindsey and Senator Hagel — or waiting to see what develops here as we go forward. So that\u2019s not a bad place to be, and I think the Democrats, on the other hand I saw James Carville\u2019s memo the other day where he basically warned them that they were in danger here of coming across as the No Party because they weren\u2019t willing to even engage in the debate.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Yeah. I saw that, and the Democrats are who they are you know. I think the president and the entire administration has demonstrated an ability to deal with them. Mike Pence, a Congressman from Indiana, continues to stress here that he\u2019s concerned about the fact that private accounts may not be a firm part of the plan. Can you tell us today whether private accounts are a firm part of what the president is going to insist on or hope for?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Private accounts are a firm part of the plan. The president and I campaigned on them in 2000; we campaigned on them again in 2004. We think a very important part of addressing the Social Security issue is to take advantage of the opportunity that this presents for us to modify the system, to make it possible for people to have real, live, honest to goodness retirement assets that they control, that they own, that they have some ability to make decisions with, which has not been true up till now for a lot of people who relied only on Social Security. We think that element of ownership is an extraordinarily important principle, and now is the time to make it a part of the Social Security system.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, the president has shown and demonstrated an ability to get what he wants. He\u2019s persuasive, and as you say, is going out talking to the American people. You\u2019re going to be doing some town hall meetings on this as well. Some of us, though, still remain puzzled why the members of the president\u2019s own party have to be dragged kicking and screaming to this given his track record. If the president did not have a track record of such success, it would be a little bit more understandable. Do you have any idea why — and I know this isn\u2019t new. It\u2019s not something that\u2019s exclusive to your administration, but something that seems to be as necessary as this just given the facts of where Social Security was, where it is today, where it\u2019s headed, why do you think? Is it just fear? Is it re-election fear? Is it they have to face re-election in two and four and six years that causes them to be less than enthusiastic and basically want you all to carry the ball for them?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, I think there may be some of that involved here. I can remember the last time we went through a major debate over Social Security. I was a member of the House of Representatives then, 22 years ago, a junior member in 1983, and the system was in trouble. You had a lot of people hanging back, didn\u2019t want to commit. We finally were able to put together a package, worked with President Reagan and got bipartisan support, a good commission and so forth, and got some good work done. I think that will happen again here in terms of our ultimately being successful. I think what happens, there are a lot of people out there, a lot of politicians who believe that Social Security is the third rail of American politics, that if you touch it, you die. The president doesn\u2019t believe that and I think he\u2019s demonstrated pretty conclusively that you could run on the notion that Social Security needs fixed and needs to be addressed, and that personal retirement accounts are a good thing. After all, we won two elections with that as part of our platform. I think the other thing that operates here on the Hill to some extent, Rush, is you get members who will be willing to vote for a package if they think the package is going to pass, if they see movement and see progress in terms of putting together a coalition. They\u2019re reluctant to step out and take a leadership role and get identified with a position or cast a vote if in the end the package is going to fail. In other words, they don\u2019t want to take that tough vote unless you\u2019re going to actually get something done. So it\u2019s a question of leadership more than anything else, and this president\u2019s demonstrated pretty conclusively, as he said: He didn\u2019t come to town to play small ball. He\u2019s here to fix big problems and this is a big one.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Talking with Vice President Dick Cheney. We\u2019ll be back and continue right after this.<\/p>\n

BREAK TRANSCRIPT<\/p>\n

RUSH: We are happy, honored to have with us today Vice President Cheney. We are discussing Social Security. Let\u2019s move on to the Democrats, Mr. Vice President. One of the things that amazes me: Here we have a 70-year-old program, essentially, and the Democrats will allow no change in it whatsoever. They want to stick to what I would call the “original intent” of Social Security, and yet when it comes to the Constitution, such a concept to them is foreign. There\u2019s no such thing as original intent. So they\u2019re wedded to this program for I think their own political legacy and the Washington Post today has a story, headline: “Senators May Block Social Security Vote.” They think they\u2019ve got enough to withstand and sustain a filibuster on this. Now, we all know that these votes of these Democrats will be subject to public opinion and that\u2019s why you\u2019re going to be on the road and why the president\u2019s on the road. Pretend that I am in one of your audiences and I really don\u2019t know anything about this other than a couple of things I\u2019ve heard in the media. What would you say to somebody who is interested but not really totally informed why this has to be done and why it has to be done now?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, let\u2019s start by telling them, Rush, that Social Security has been an important program over the years for millions of Americans. My parents and grandparents drew benefits. But it was designed back in the \u201930s at a time when the world looked pretty dramatically different than it does today. In 1935, when they first set it up, the average life expectancy was 63. That is, a majority of Americans didn\u2019t live long enough to draw benefits from the program. We had about 16 workers working for every person drawing benefits in 1940. We\u2019re down now. We\u2019ve only got three people working for every worker drawing benefits, and, of course, the demographics have changed dramatically. We\u2019ve got a baby boom generation about to retire here starting in 2008. There\u2019s going to be a big bulge in the retired community. The average life expectancy now is 15 years greater than it was back in the \u201930s. People live, on average now, to 77 or 78. They draw benefits for a much longer period of time and just the fundamental demographics of the population are what is driving the need to go in and reform Social Security if there\u2019s going to be anything there for our kids and grandkids. And the folks currently retired and those soon to retire — that is, everybody born before 1950 — is going to be covered by the current system. The debate over retirement accounts doesn\u2019t affect them. They can relax and be confident they\u2019re going to get what they were promised. The problem is with their kids and grandkids — and I\u2019ve got grandkids of my own and a couple of daughters, and you\u2019d have trouble convincing them they were going to draw any Social Security benefits unless we take responsibility for the current situation and make the changes that are necessary that we can make gradually over time that will guarantee the system will be there in the future.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: Over the years, recent years, I have heard many Democrats take up the cause of Social Security recipients, claiming that the program really is not sufficient enough as it is because seniors today are having to choose between food and prescription drugs. They really make a pretty sorry case for a senior citizen today who only has Social Security — and they do this unwittingly and they did this before this current debate began but if you listen to them, if you back to the \u201990s — when they thought it was a crisis, the Democrats — they were all making it out like it was nothing more than a poverty program and they always said that Republicans wanted to cut it. Now, here comes the Bush administration willing to actually reform it and the centerpiece is turning it into something more than a poverty program. You want to have people have their own nest eggs that the government cannot touch. That\u2019s what the private accounts are about. What is the success that you\u2019re having when the president has gone out on the road? I know it\u2019s early in his 60-stop tour, but are you having success in persuading people, do you think?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, I think we are. I think it takes time because it is a big complex subject, but I think there\u2019s intense interest out there. I find that when I talk with folks about it this is something that everybody will be affected by sooner or later. They\u2019re all either paying taxes into the system now and drawing benefits from it, and that will continue to be the case going forward. So I don\u2019t think we have that much trouble getting people\u2019s attention to think about it. I also think we\u2019re beginning to have some effect. We had the Democrats now send a letter to us the other day saying if we\u2019d just give up the notion of personal retirement accounts, then they\u2019d be willing to talk. Well, that\u2019s a step ahead from where they were initially, where they said, “There\u2019s no problem.” At least they\u2019re willing to talk about a problem, they say. We\u2019re not about to give up personal retirement accounts, because we think those are absolutely a crucial part of the system. But I think we continue to pound away out there, that the American public will come to realize who, in fact, is providing leadership and stepping forward and offering a solution to an important problem here and who is trying to block any action at all and if the Democrats do take the route that they\u2019re going to filibuster any changes or modification in the Senate, I think that\u2019s going to be a loser for them long term. I don\u2019t know that I voted for somebody to come back here and represent me in the United States Senate and get paid as well as they\u2019re paid and sit on their hands and do nothing and keep everyone else from doing anything. I really think that that\u2019s a dereliction of duty on their part. They don\u2019t have to agree with us in terms of solution, but they do have to engage in the debate. If they\u2019re not going to get in the arena and be a part of this process, they might as well pack it in and go home.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Well, one other question before I move on to one other subject and that is in various reports I\u2019m seeing, that the option for senior citizens not to participate in the individual retirement account version of the program and basically stay with the old Social Security plan as it is today. Is that also something that\u2019s going to be on the table as included in the final plan?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Well, in the proposal the president\u2019s put forward, it is voluntary. The sort of — it\u2019s important to think of it in segments here. Everybody born before 1950 would not be affected, would not be involved because they\u2019re all either retired or soon to retire under the existing system. If you\u2019re younger than that, then you\u2019d have the opportunity to participate in a personal retirement account, but it is optional. You don\u2019t have to do it. It\u2019s voluntary, and if you want to stay under the old system, that\u2019ll be available for you.<\/p>\n

RUSH: I want to play you a tape of President Clinton, who was in the Roosevelt Room with the president last Tuesday. The president said to him that the Iraq elections went well, and I see a trend in the Middle East and then President Clinton added this.<\/p>\n

FMR. PRESIDENT CLINTON: I would agree with that. I think that the Iraqi elections went better than anyone could have imagined and now, you know, I have said I don\u2019t think we ought to pressure the president to give a timetable for withdrawal of American forces. We got to try to make this work. We all know we have to go sometime, that we don\u2019t want to occupy the country but they still need us to help train their security forces. There\u2019s still a violent environment there, and the friends of the new order are still vulnerable as we saw just yesterday, so I think that — but I think on balance, that\u2019s doing — we\u2019re doing better there.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Mr. Vice President, the question I have for you is — and we\u2019ve been talking about this on the program the past two or three days — in certain sectors of the media and in the Democratic Party, there is constant discussion of just how well the Bushes and the Clintons are getting along these days and like Howard Fineman has a piece trying to dissect it and understand it. Here\u2019s Clinton being very supportive of the Iraq policy. The Bushes and Clintons seem to be getting along very well. What do you make of this? Is there anything more than just the presidency is a small fraternity and once time passes, old opposition is forgotten and everybody just gets alone because of the smallness of the club?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: I think that\u2019s the right explanation, Rush. I watched the same phenomena with President Ford and President Carter, and, of course, I worked for President Ford and I remember, you know, how tough it was losing the 1976 election to Jimmy Carter. There was no love lost between the two during the course of that campaign, but over the years as former presidents, even though they had come at a lot of problems from radically different perspectives, they did, in fact, develop a good relationship and work together on a number of issues. So to see former President Bush and former Bill Clinton working on something like the tsunami relief? It turns out they do have a fair degree in common in the sense, as you say, that it\u2019s a very small fraternity of former presidents. We\u2019ve only had 43 presidents in the history of the nation, and there are only a handful living obviously today, and so those kinds of relationships I don\u2019t think we should find all that surprising.<\/line><\/p>\n

RUSH: All right. I have 30 seconds. There\u2019s no political calculation on either side in this new relationship, then, you think?<\/p>\n

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: I certainly don\u2019t see any evidence of that. I think they enjoy one another\u2019s company, even though they did go at it tooth and tong back in 1992.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Okay. Mr. Vice President, thanks very much for your time, and good luck out there on the Social Security bandwagon stump. It\u2019s something that, again, you know, I always — when I have you on the phone here, the people that voted for you continually pray for you. They admire everybody\u2019s courage in this administration, and they wish you nothing but the best and they hope for as many people to get on the bandwagon with you as possible.<\/p>\n

CALLER: Well, thank you, Rush. I appreciate it, and I always enjoy your show.<\/p>\n

RUSH: Thanks very much. That\u2019s Vice President Dick Cheney.<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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